# I pit Trump's pardons **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 10, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660 "2018-07-10T16:03:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/21 "2018-07-11T22:31:57Z")
I agree with the OP. This one is really, really annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/22 "2018-07-11T22:41:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I have no clue why the President issued a separate commutation and then a pardon, when the pardon of necessity includes an immediate end to any sentence. > > But it appears he did. That zany Trump! He certainly is whacky! My guess: he said something about clemency, or getting these guys out of prison, or their sentence is bullshit, and someone drafted a document to the best of their abilities to meet his demand. He signed it, they released it, then he bragged about pardoning them, and someone told him he hadn’t actually signed a pardon. He flung a fresh turd at them and bared his teeth and hooted, and they drafted an actual pardon, and he signed that. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/23 "2018-07-11T22:41:33Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Hmm. Then again, [this](https://www.justice.gov/pardon/page/file/1079376/download) and [this](https://www.justice.gov/pardon/page/file/1079371/download) sure make it look like they’re “full and unconditional pardons.” (PDF links) That first cite looks like it’s from the so-called Justice Department. Probably written by someone sitting on an island somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/24 "2018-07-11T22:44:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I wrote a long post explaining that I thought it was likely they were in fact mistaken, based on the clemency-but-not-pardon documents I linked. > > Then I read **Vinyl** ’s links, and deleted my post, because those sources were apparently not mistaken. > > I have no clue why the President issued a separate commutation and then a pardon, when the pardon of necessity includes an immediate end to any sentence. > > But it appears he did. That zany Trump! He certainly is whacky! Not zany at all. He’s just making sure all his base are covered. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/25 "2018-07-11T23:20:57Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > The President of the United States of America supports terrorism. Of course he does; he called for Hillary to be murdered with a “Second Amendment solution” during the campaign. Support for political and religious terrorism is common among the Republicans and American right; everyone looks the other way because our entire society is devoted to sucking up to them. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/26 "2018-07-12T02:22:44Z")
I’m pretty sure he’s looking to pardon the people that will piss off liberals the most. His directive from his handlers is to sow as much chaos and internecine hatred as possible. Pretty much all of his actions can be seen to fit in that perspective. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/27 "2018-07-12T03:01:27Z")
I’m starting to think there may be a real intention here to provoke everyone into a civil war. If enough of the righties have bought into their own (or rather, the NRA’s) press, they may think that between lands held, sympathetic police agencies, and civilian firearms stockpiled, they can win. A clear and present danger, without a President to stop it, because he’s part of it. The scary idea is that if enough of Congress are as well, they’ll back it up. That could be the case if this has been in the works for the entire existence of groups the Federalist Society, of which I’m not convinced; or if the right wing just decide, “Hey, roll with it, we have the deviants where we can take them out now.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/28 "2018-07-13T02:07:26Z")
> **[Did Donald Trump Encourage Violence at His Rallies?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/)** > > A viral cartoon accurately presented several quotations by the then-presidential candidate, delivered on the campaign trail in 2015 and 2016. Trump has repeatedly encouraged violence … but has not apparently had any guts to do it himself. He is a shit flinging, trolling coward. He wants his goons to do the fighting **for him** because he is **a weakling and a coward**. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/29 "2018-07-13T16:46:03Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But only domestic terrorism. Not the bad kind of terrorism. If they’re white I believe the government approved term for them is patriotic “Freedom fighters”. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/30 "2018-07-13T20:56:05Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > If they’re white I believe the government approved term for them is patriotic “Freedom fighters”. I would prefer the term Convicted Felon. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/31 "2018-07-14T08:16:33Z")
“If crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight?” - George Carlin - ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660/32 "2018-07-14T17:50:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Neither of these people deserves this pardon, IMO: they are entitled jackasses who think they can just take what they want and destroy it if they can’t have it. Fuck them. In other words, they are mini-me versions of HIM. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-trumps-pardons/817660.md?page=1)