# I Pit UltraVires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477 "2021-06-17T16:57:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/1 "2021-06-17T16:57:45Z")
Ultra Vires is a vile human being and a waste of oxygen Why is this decades-long racist troll still permitted to post here? > [@Congress Overwhelmingly Approves Juneteenth as New Federal Holiday](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-overwhelmingly-approves-juneteenth-as-new-federal-holiday/944440/3): > > Why is June 19th marked as the holiday? The Thirteenth Amendment wasn’t ratified until December, 1865 and slavery was still legal in (at least) Delaware at the time. I don’t oppose a holiday to celebrate the end of slavery. It was a stain on our country. But to put June 19th as the date is just false history. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/2 "2021-06-17T17:00:19Z")
I think you missed the long-time thread: > [@Pitting UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-winner-for-the-title-of-west-virginias-dumbest-lawyer/821734): > > We have a winner for the title of West Virginia’s dumbest lawyer This guy! Here’s another bit of genius from the same thread… Brett Kavanaugh is lucky to have you on his side. We don’t need another thread thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/3 "2021-06-17T17:00:52Z")
I guess JAQing off is not a bannable offense. This board has a great deal of tolerance for asshole jerks who skate close to the ban-line. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/4 "2021-06-17T17:06:11Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think you missed the long-time thread: I’m aware of it. UV’s disgusting behavior goes well beyond his incompetent lawyering, and I think we _do_ actually need a separate thread to document it. He is a shitty lawyer _and_ a loathsome person. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/5 "2021-06-17T17:08:56Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > {…} We don’t need another thread thank you. No, no, omnibus threads are why the board is dying. A new thread for every offence is what the cool kids are into now. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/6 "2021-06-17T17:14:27Z")
I’m no UltraVires fan, and I think he’s wrong about Juneteenth, but how is the sentiment quoted in the OP problematic? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/7 "2021-06-17T17:20:45Z")
In isolation? It’s not especially problematic. It’s his continual JAQ-off behavior, refusal to educate himself, prideful ignorance, and outright, explicit racism that is problematic. This is not new. He’s been doing it since he joined the board. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/8 "2021-06-17T17:24:37Z")
Cool. If only you’d quoted some of those things, this would be a good pitting. But I guess that thread already exists? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/9 "2021-06-17T17:25:50Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > But I guess that thread already exists? Oh yeah, chock full of dumbassery and asshattery of the highest order: > [@Pitting UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-winner-for-the-title-of-west-virginias-dumbest-lawyer/821734): > > We have a winner for the title of West Virginia’s dumbest lawyer This guy! Here’s another bit of genius from the same thread… Brett Kavanaugh is lucky to have you on his side. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/10 "2021-06-17T17:27:29Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Oh yeah, chock full of dumbassery and asshattery of the highest order: Yeah, that thread had a quality OP. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/11 "2021-06-17T17:30:33Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > > [@Atamasama](#): > > > > I think you missed the long-time thread: > > He is a shitty lawyer _and_ a loathsome person. \*Bricker has entered the chat ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/12 "2021-06-17T17:31:19Z")
Mmm, how _could_ a non-African-American telling African-Americans they’re celebrating their own holiday all wrong, datewise, and the Fed merely acknowledging their long-existing holiday officially is “fake history”, _possibly_ be problematic? Why, I’m stumped… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/13 "2021-06-17T17:35:47Z")
As I said, I think he’s wrong, and I think you’d be in the right to disregard his opinion. But I can’t see it as racist to say, “Hey, if we want to celebrate the end of slavery, how about the date of the ratification of the 13th Amendment instead?” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/14 "2021-06-17T17:37:49Z")
I think it all comes down to the reputation or perceived intent of a poster. If a progressive/liberal Doper had come into the thread suggesting that the holiday be the date of the ratification of the 13th, I don’t think anyone would have complained or accused him of JAQing. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/15 "2021-06-17T17:40:50Z")
I imagine that’s true. And if someone like Chief Pedant showed up JAQing about “doesn’t it seem a little weird that the 100 meter dash winner is always black” or some such, I’d totally get that. But what are you and the OP positing the the subtext here? That UV doesn’t really want an end-of-slavery holiday? That he thinks we should bring slavery back? What? ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/16 "2021-06-17T17:40:55Z")
“Hey, if we want to celebrate the end of slavery, how about the date of the ratification of the 13th Amendment instead of the date African-Americans have celebrated for generations?” Fixed that for you. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/17 "2021-06-17T17:42:44Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > But what are you and the OP positing the the subtext here? That UV doesn’t really want an end-of-slavery holiday? That he thinks we should bring slavery back? What? That the actual people involved are wrong about the date and that he’s right and that it’s necessary to derail a celebratory thread to insist on it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/18 "2021-06-17T17:42:49Z")
Because a) there already is a holiday that African-Americans celebrate, so this will be ignoring their cultural practices; and b) Nobody. Fucking. Asked. For . His. White. Opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/19 "2021-06-17T17:44:13Z")
a) I agree - he’s wrong; and b) There’s no expectation here that opinions be solicited prior to being offered. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/20 "2021-06-17T17:47:14Z")
Given his history, there is every expectation that this Just Asking Question was _not_ proffered in good faith. The unsolicited opinion (AKA threadshit) comes from a known asshole who is obviously just stirring shit for giggles. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477.md?page=2)