# I Pit UltraVires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477 "2021-06-17T16:57:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/41 "2021-06-17T18:26:37Z")
Whatever, man. I’ve been listening, and trying to understand the perspective of you and others, but that’s not actually what you want. You want mindless agreement. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/42 "2021-06-17T18:27:59Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > I’ve been listening, Like fuck, you have. You’ve been arguing. Not the same thing. > [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > You want mindless agreement. No, I **want** _mind **ful** _ agreement. That requires a mind, though… ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/43 "2021-06-17T18:29:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Like fuck, you have. You’ve been arguing. Not the same thing. Are those mutually exclusive in your world? > [@MrDibble](#): > > That requires a mind, though… zing! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/44 "2021-06-17T18:31:32Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > Are those mutually exclusive in your world? No, but you’ve _clearly_ been doing the one, and _not_ the other. Because you still haven’t Shut The Fuck Up. So you’re clearly not _listening_ (which is not the same as hearing) > [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > zing! I give exactly zero fucks for some racist-defending fuckhead like you thinking they’re being cute, right now. Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/45 "2021-06-17T18:37:19Z")
Huh, UV seems to have disappeared from that thread, but another idiot lawyer is stepping all over his dick now: > [@Congress Overwhelmingly Approves Juneteenth as New Federal Holiday](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-overwhelmingly-approves-juneteenth-as-new-federal-holiday/944440/32): > > As a longtime fed employee, I’ll happily take off as many days as they give me, but I wonder if there will ever be a maximum as to how many fed holidays there are? Maybe if Congress adds a new one, they have to eliminate an old one…. Maybe combine Vet’s w/ Memorial? Or elim Columb (unless renamed for indigenous). Or add Juneteenth and cut MLK? > [@Congress Overwhelmingly Approves Juneteenth as New Federal Holiday](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-overwhelmingly-approves-juneteenth-as-new-federal-holiday/944440/44): > > Just checking - we’re good now, right? No need for any further discussion of reparations, wealth disparity, police brutality, etc , now that we have a Juneteenth holiday! wink ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/46 "2021-06-17T18:37:51Z")
[quote="crowmanyclouds, No, no, omnibus threads are why the board is dying. [/quote]EXACTLY! They make it nearly impossible to track the topic and if you have been away for any length of time you find yourself HUNDREDS of posts behind. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/47 "2021-06-17T18:38:52Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > n/m, I don’t care AKA “I am leaving now, having my ass handed to me and not learning a single fucking thing.” ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/48 "2021-06-17T18:39:44Z")
I’m not leaving, have already explained/clarified that post, didn’t have my ass handed to me, and learned a bit. Other than that, good post man! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/49 "2021-06-17T18:56:47Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I think it all comes down to the reputation or perceived intent of a poster. > > If a progressive/liberal Doper had come into the thread suggesting that the holiday be the date of the ratification of the 13th, I don’t think anyone would have complained or accused him of JAQing. You are not wrong in saying that a person known to be right-leaning is going to be more poorly-received making these kinds of comments than someone known to be left-leaning. (I think it’s a matter of opinion if you think it is fair to take a person’s political leanings in mind when responding.) As a left-leaning board that is to be expected. However… The community doesn’t just give someone a pass for making racial remarks because they are professed to be left-leaning. Case in point… > [@Do we have a thread for SlackerInc yet? Maybe we should](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-a-thread-for-slackerinc-yet-maybe-we-should/825461): > > I feel like this is a little bit overdue. SlackerInc has always been at least a wee bit of a racist sympathizer, and now we get this: “Why don’t Tom Steyer or George Soros move black Mississippians to Pensacola or Atlanta?” [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21345994&postcount=1](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21345994&postcount=1) blinks What the dick am I actually reading? [Pool’s response](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21346055&postcount=9) seems apt, if lacking in “what the ever-loving fuck”, which is probably a good thing given the forum, so allow me - what the ever-loving f… That was a poster who was on the left side of the aisle who was identified as both a racist and a misogynist and was raked over the coals for it. People don’t just get a pass because they express liberal opinions. People on the left get called out for those things on this board routinely. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/50 "2021-06-17T19:04:23Z")
That seems to be pretty common, right? There’s an assumption on the right that their own tribalism is mirrored on the left. The projection is real. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/51 "2021-06-17T19:09:53Z")
BTW, good job to whoever made the comparison to American Independence Day in that thread. We tend to think of July 4 as the end-all and be-all of American independence but it’s pretty much an arbitrary date. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/52 "2021-06-17T19:14:12Z")
I’m sorry to say that Jesus wasn’t born on Dec. 25 either. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/53 "2021-06-17T19:31:44Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Huh, UV seems to have disappeared from that thread, but another idiot lawyer is stepping all over his dick now: > > [Congress Overwhelmingly Approves Juneteenth as New Federal Holiday - #32 by Dinsdale1](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-overwhelmingly-approves-juneteenth-as-new-federal-holiday/944440/32) > > [Congress Overwhelmingly Approves Juneteenth as New Federal Holiday - #44 by Dinsdale1](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-overwhelmingly-approves-juneteenth-as-new-federal-holiday/944440/44) I took that second one to be sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/54 "2021-06-17T19:32:55Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > BTW, good job to whoever made the comparison to American Independence Day in that thread. We tend to think of July 4 as the end-all and be-all of American independence but it’s pretty much an arbitrary date. > [@74westy](#): > > I’m sorry to say that Jesus wasn’t born on Dec. 25 either. I know this is a tautology but we celebrate those things on those dates because we celebrate those things on those dates. It doesn’t really matter what date we celebrate those things on (or anything really), it just matters that they are celebrated. Is Thanksgiving an actual date for when the “original” Thanksgiving with the pilgrims was done? Of course not, it’s not even a set date each year. Presidents’ Day is an arbitrary date. Since when did a holiday or other celebration have to correspond exactly to some perfect historical date? Talk about ignorant… ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/55 "2021-06-17T19:35:13Z")
As long as we all agree that St. Valentine really did bestow love upon humanity for the first time on February 14, 255 C.E. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/56 "2021-06-17T19:36:56Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Talk about ignorant… You’ve got to be the most ignorant person alive if you think that reasoning is acceptable for Christmas but not for Juneteenth. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/57 "2021-06-17T19:36:58Z")
My question is, how does Arbor Day factor into this? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/58 "2021-06-17T19:40:34Z")
I don’t think UV claims to speak for the trees. But I wouldn’t put it past him to try. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/59 "2021-06-17T19:52:35Z")
The guy you were talking to (@MrDibble) is a well known race baiting imbecile, I wouldn’t take it personally. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477/60 "2021-06-17T19:54:22Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > talking to (@MrDibble) is a well known race baiting imbecile, I wouldn’t I wasn’t taking it personally, but nah, Dib’s fine. He just trips over his own ego sometimes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ultravires/944477.md?page=4)