# I Pit Where Liberalism Has Gone **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 6, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811 "2016-10-06T23:58:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/362 "2016-11-06T01:37:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Before I came to this board, I thought I was a pretty liberal guy. Then I ran into the stupid shit you reference being spouted by seemingly intelligent people. That’s when I realized that a lot of liberals aren’t smart, they just parrot liberal ideas which in general are smart and in an effort to remain “smart” they continue to parrot liberal ideas regardless of whether or not they make any sense. Their failure to have reached these conclusions through critical thought leads them to try and bully others to believe what they believe and this has led to liberal thought policing. Like you said, we must now believe things like “women make 78% of what men make (all other things being equal)” > > So I took a walk on the other side and I think I prefer our stupid retarded assholes to their stupid retarded assholes. > **[PolitiFact Sheet: The Gender Pay Gap](https://www.politifact.com/article/2015/jul/15/politifact-sheet-gender-pay-gap/)** > > It has been one of the consistent cries, mainly of Democrats, over the past seven years. It goes something like: Women e > [@](#): > > Here’s what we mean: In his 2012 re-election run, an ad for President Barack Obama claimed “Women (are) paid 77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men.” That rated Mostly False. > > But Obama retooled his words in his 2014 State of the Union address, saying women “still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns.” That rated Mostly True. > > The difference in Obama’s two statements is subtle but important. The 77-cent figure derived from a federal government measure does not apply to men and women who do the same job. Instead it refers to the average disparity between what men and women earn, period. All women’s earnings compared to all men’s earnings. I think the problem is that you do rely on stupid retarded sources that do not correct what they are repeating to the rank and file. So who told you to parrot that that was never corrected **Damuri Ajashi**? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/363 "2016-11-06T01:38:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > More fantasy versions of the left, **Zeke N. Destroi**. Maybe a very small portion of liberals are a bit nutty, but not the majority. Citing statistics isn’t racist. > > Defend an unrepentant bigot like **DerekMichaels00** if you like, but he has openly stated he feels that trans people are “repulsive” and “disgusting” and lied and made false statements about people from Khizr Khan to Barack Obama (who usually just so happen to be brown or black), among many other incredibly stupid posts. except the ideas that Destroi cites can regularly be found on Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Democrat Underground, and of course, SDMB. As well as pundits on panels who are said to be “on the left.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/364 "2016-11-06T01:43:55Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > except the ideas that Destroi cites can regularly be found on Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Democrat Underground, and of course, SDMB. As well as pundits on panels who are said to be “on the left.” No they don’t, bigot. Still sticking with your bigotry, huh? Do you really want to be the type of person that considers a whole class of people “repulsive” and “disgusting” for the way they live their lives when it doesn’t affect you at all? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/365 "2016-11-06T01:44:06Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Have you confused **Damuri** with **Derek** , or is **Damuri** a significantly worse person than I’d realized? He has not pinged my radar on bigoted issues, but he does appreciate torture and likes guys like Hitler lover Duterte in the Philippines. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/366 "2016-11-06T03:52:57Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > except the ideas that Destroi cites can regularly be found on Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Democrat Underground, and of course, SDMB. As well as pundits on panels who are said to be “on the left.” Nope, don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/367 "2016-11-09T05:38:08Z")
bump because given Trump’s likely victory, having seen the [exit poll that said a plurality of Americans want a more conservative successor](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2016-national-exit-poll-results-analysis/story?id=43368675) to Obama, my theory that liberalism has gotten out of control is vindicated. Now that Trump might win, I wonder if Democrats think pushing the transgender thing, Redskins thing, etc. was worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/368 "2016-11-09T06:51:56Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > bump because given Trump’s likely victory, having seen the [exit poll that said a plurality of Americans want a more conservative successor](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2016-national-exit-poll-results-analysis/story?id=43368675) to Obama, my theory that liberalism has gotten out of control is vindicated. > > Now that Trump might win, I wonder if Democrats think pushing the transgender thing, Redskins thing, etc. was worth it. Yes, actually, some of us do, believe it or not. (Are you still scared of the big bad TransBoogeyman under the bed?) ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/369 "2016-11-09T07:08:05Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Yes, actually, some of us do, believe it or not. (Are you still scared of the big bad TransBoogeyman under the bed?) whatever my feelings on trans, clearly, many other people don’t like being seen as or treated like we’re evil because we don’t see how one can just change his/her gender. We’re not evil because we express skepticism. Same thing on illegal immigration and Muslim refugees. Are there crazies who think things for the wrong reasons? YES. But they are not the vast majority of Trump voters, which comprise roughly half the country. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/370 "2016-11-09T07:13:56Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > whatever my feelings on trans, clearly, many other people don’t like being seen as or treated like we’re evil because we don’t see how one can just change his/her gender. We’re not evil because we express skepticism. Same thing on illegal immigration and Muslim refugees. > > Are there crazies who think things for the wrong reasons? YES. But they are not the vast majority of Trump voters, which comprise roughly half the country. It’s not what you think, it’s how you act and how you try to make your own "opinions’ mandatory for others to obey. You don’t like trans? Don’t associate with them. You don’t like Muslims or blacks or Mexicans? Stay away from them. In short, MYOB. But there have been more than enough 'dog whistles" this past year or so, that you won’t convince me it’s anything other than what it is. eFar and hatred of The Other. Bigotry. Stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/371 "2016-11-09T08:54:21Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It’s not what you think, it’s how you act and how you try to make your own "opinions’ mandatory for others to obey. You don’t like trans? Don’t associate with them. Tell me what ESPN firing Curt Schilling was about? Tell me what a “transphobe” is. Tell me what progressives forcing non-progressive speakers away from colleges is about. I could go on. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/372 "2016-11-09T18:03:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Oh wow, that was incredibly dumb of me. I’m very, very sorry **Damuri** – For some reason I must have seen the D and thought it was Derek. I disagree with a lot of what you post but I’ve never seen anything bigoted from you, and I greatly apologize for confusing you with someone else. > > :smack: Wow what an idiotic mistake. Apologies. No problem. I was pretty sure you had made a made a mistake (or I had overly antagonized you in the BLM thread) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/373 "2016-11-09T18:15:26Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [PolitiFact | PolitiFact Sheet: The Gender Pay Gap](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jul/15/politifact-sheet-gender-pay-gap/) > I think the problem is that you do rely on stupid retarded sources that do not correct what they are repeating to the rank and file. > > So who told you to parrot that that was never corrected **Damuri Ajashi**? So you link a site that says that Obama was mostly false in saying that women make 77% of what men make (all things remaining equal) to refute the statement that I was accusing liberals of saying that women make 77% of what men make (all things remaining equal). But that Obama later refined his language to get rid of variables like hours worked, the kind of work done, level of experience… and in that sense the statement becomes true? Then the true statement is misleading. I might as well say that cops kill more whites than blacks. And that is not how the pay gap is presented in arguments. It was presented as an apples to apples comparison. Now you say the gender pay gap relies on comparing apples to oranges? Then its not a pay gap. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/374 "2016-11-09T18:16:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > He has not pinged my radar on bigoted issues, but he does appreciate torture and likes guys like Hitler lover Duterte in the Philippines. Duterte loves Hitler? I don’t particularly like him but he is the elected leader of the Philippines with a 90+% popularity rating. Hardly what I would call a dictator. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/375 "2016-11-09T18:17:42Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > bump because given Trump’s likely victory, having seen the [exit poll that said a plurality of Americans want a more conservative successor](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2016-national-exit-poll-results-analysis/story?id=43368675) to Obama, my theory that liberalism has gotten out of control is vindicated. > > Now that Trump might win, I wonder if Democrats think pushing the transgender thing, Redskins thing, etc. was worth it. If they don’t push issues, there is really no point in their existence. They might as well become the moderate wing of the Republican party. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/376 "2016-11-09T18:39:52Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > whatever my feelings on trans, clearly, many other people don’t like being seen as or treated like we’re evil because we don’t see how one can just change his/her gender. We’re not evil because we express skepticism. Same thing on illegal immigration and Muslim refugees. > > Are there crazies who think things for the wrong reasons? YES. But they are not the vast majority of Trump voters, which comprise roughly half the country. You’re a bigot because you’ve called trans people “repulsive” and “disgusting”, not because you don’t understand them. If it was merely not understanding them, then you could be educated (if you wanted to learn). But you have hatred/repulsion/disgust for them based on their gender identity. That’s bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/377 "2016-11-10T00:00:02Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Tell me what ESPN firing Curt Schilling was about? Tell me what a “transphobe” is. Tell me what progressives forcing non-progressive speakers away from colleges is about. I could go on. Tell me why I should care what you think. Then explain why anyone else should either. Then explain why life should be ordered around what you think. I live in California, and I have NO problem avoiding people I don’t want to deal with. Amazing, ain’t it. I don’t give a damn about Schilling either. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/378 "2016-11-10T00:50:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If they don’t push issues, there is really no point in their existence. They might as well become the moderate wing of the Republican party. they should push issues, but after big and divisive ones they do win, they should follow it up with milquetoast ones people can more easily agree on. Notice how Reagan did start his term with what were then controversial tax cuts, and then during his second term, he mainly did bipartisan things, like immigration reform, foreign policy, etc. and took popular stances, not unpopular ones like the Iran $150 billion jackpot. And he did that to help elect his party successor. Bill Clinton also did better by Gore, despite Lewinsky, given that Gore was closer in the electoral vote and won the popular vote by more than Hillary has. After Clinton’s valiant attempt to get gays into the military, which was rebuffed by Colin Powell, and Hillarycare, he pivoted. In his second term, he did popular things like balancing the budget, popular foreign policy action, etc. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/379 "2016-11-10T00:53:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’re a bigot because you’ve called trans people “repulsive” and “disgusting”, not because you don’t understand them. If it was merely not understanding them, then you could be educated (if you wanted to learn). But you have hatred/repulsion/disgust for them based on their gender identity. > > That’s bigotry. No, I merely said in my first post about transgenders that I was scared that someday, not being attracted to them and openly saying so would be “bigoted” as it is to say that about people of certain races. And I’ve been [proven right](https://www.facebook.com/GayStarNews/photos/a.213627055380286.51365.166622430080749/1180409382035377/?type=3&pnref=story). The left is trying to insinuate it. You need to read [this](http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/380 "2016-11-10T13:02:14Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > No, I merely said in my first post about transgenders that I was scared that someday, not being attracted to them and openly saying so would be “bigoted” as it is to say that about people of certain races. You’re a liar (bolding mine): > [@On the Topic of Transgenders](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/93): > > I will accept transgenders if: > > 1. They and the pro-trans people accept that trans people do not belong competing in the sport of their transitioned-to gender > 2. **That hetero cis men can find trans people repulsive** without being called a bigot, and _can say so in public_ > 3. That trans people don’t start trying to pass themselves off as “cis,” or regular people and deceive them into a relationship. I never wanna go to a bar and find out that the girl I’m about to lay down game to isn’t a girl. **That’s disgusting**. > 4. That given their small proportion of the population, their representation in media reflect that. What’s next: Playboy putting one of them on, to show “solidarity with equality?” Ew, no, never. “Repulsive” and “disgusting” (and “Ew”) are your words, liar. Not understanding transgender issues is not bigoted. Not being attracted to trans people is not bigoted. Questions about trans people and sports is not bigoted. But calling trans people “repulsive” and “disgusting” is bigoted. Your own bigoted words. Ask yourself if demanding that “Christians can find Jews repulsive without being called a bigot, and _can say so in public_” is a bigoted request or not. Or hide behind your bigotry with lies, if that’s what you want. If you don’t want to be called a bigot, don’t say bigoted things, and apologize for past bigoted things you’ve said. If you don’t want to be called a liar, stop lying about the bigoted things you’ve said. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/381 "2016-11-10T14:36:58Z")
I agree with the following except for “the left … have won all of the important fights.” Lack of health care? Egregiously insane income inequality? There are very important fights left. > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > You’re right. The problem with the left is that we have won all of the important fights and now we are fighting over scraps and bragging rights. You don’t see right-wingers bagging on each other for not being right-wing enough. They unite. > > We divide. > > We divide because we have set a ridiculous ideal and we expect our allies to adhere to them. Any indication that you don’t agree 100% with the orthodoxy means you aren’t worthy. We are a self-righteous and entirely insecure group of people. > > … > All of the historicity does not change the fact that if you are out and downtown and get jumped it is more likely to be natives than white people. > > Expressing this opinion makes me a racist. > … > Ideology should not trump reality. The real truth is that if I’m to be the victim of random crime the perpetrator is more likely to be native. Refusal to accept a fact does not negate the fact. But screaming “racist” is the quickest and easiest way to demonstrate your progressiveness without actually doing anything. > > We are most smugly self-congratulatory people there are. > > So while the right-wing bands together in spite of differences of opinion on nuances we eviscerate each other over them. > > That, combined with the immediate convenience of myopia, is the reason that we are losing. > > Until such a time as we are prepared to accept that our allies might not agree with us absolutely we will continue to lose and bemoan our self-imposed fate. I’m posting now, not to say “We told you so,” but in hopes liberals wake up a little. Was it Confucius or Voltaire who first said the following? _“The Best Is The Enemy Of The Good.”_ Let us ponder those words while crying ourselves to sleep for the next four years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811.md?page=20)