# I Pit Where Liberalism Has Gone **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 6, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811 "2016-10-06T23:58:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/382 "2016-11-10T15:04:19Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > No, I merely said in my first post about transgenders that I was scared that someday, not being attracted to them and openly saying so would be “bigoted” as it is to say that about people of certain races. And I’ve been Why do you demand the right to openly say it? It’s not freedom of speech, it’s being an asshole. Why do you demand the ability to be an asshole? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/383 "2016-11-10T15:06:17Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Why do you demand the right to openly say it? It’s not freedom of speech, it’s being an asshole. Why do you demand the ability to be an asshole? It’s not that he wants to be a bigoted asshole – he can feel free to do so all he wants; it’s that he wants to be a bigoted asshole without anyone criticizing him. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/384 "2016-11-10T16:14:38Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Duterte loves Hitler? > > I don’t particularly like him but he is the elected leader of the Philippines with a 90+% popularity rating. Hardly what I would call a dictator. Having death squads at your disposal with no accountability for how they are used tends to encourage people to speak highly of you. Or else. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/385 "2016-11-10T16:30:26Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > We divide because we have set a ridiculous ideal and we expect our allies to adhere to them. Any indication that you don’t agree 100% with the orthodoxy means you aren’t worthy. As something of an outsider who doesn’t consider himself liberal, and who doesn’t affiliate himself with the “conservatives” either, I think this is a huge issue for the liberals and Democratic party. It seems to me that the thinking seems to be either all-in with everything, or you’re not really part of the club- you have to espouse ALL the stuff, and can’t disagree with any of it or you’re part of the problem and criticized, especially if you’re not part of one of the aggrieved groups. Meanwhile on the other side of the aisle, it’s more like “Pick your viewpoint”- some people are only concerned with pro-life stuff, others with small government, others with low taxation, etc… without necessarily having a sort of common-core of thought. It exists, but one’s adherence to it isn’t nearly so harshly judged. I mean, if you’re a republican, because you’re christian and pro-life, and you show up, and donate and vote, nobody’s going to question your conservative chops because you aren’t a climate change denier or a free trade advocate. But woe be it to the liberal who voices opposition to something; it’s treated like a serious betrayal. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/386 "2016-11-10T17:16:51Z")
> [@bump](#): > > It seems to me that the thinking seems to be either all-in with everything, or you’re not really part of the club- you have to espouse ALL the stuff, and can’t disagree with any of it or you’re part of the problem and criticized, especially if you’re not part of one of the aggrieved groups. Um…nope. As the rather vocal rift between the progressive Bernie wing and the centrist/establishment Clinton wing just demonstrated. > [@](#): > > Meanwhile on the other side of the aisle, it’s more like “Pick your viewpoint”- some people are only concerned with pro-life stuff, others with small government, others with low taxation, etc… without necessarily having a sort of common-core of thought. “We’ve got both kinds of music here - Country AND Western.” > [@](#): > > It exists, but one’s adherence to it isn’t nearly so harshly judged. I mean, if you’re a republican, because you’re christian and pro-life, and you show up, and donate and vote, nobody’s going to question your conservative chops because you aren’t a climate change denier or a free trade advocate. …because they’ll happily accept money and votes from anyone and then do what they want regardless. That’s not being “inclusive”; that’s being “taken”. Unless you’re a politician, of course, in which case if you dare to dissent from the party line you get labelled a RINO and a Tea Party candidate primaries you at the next election for not being ideologically pure enough. > [@](#): > > But woe be it to the liberal who voices opposition to something; it’s treated like a serious betrayal. To “something”? The left are notorious for circular firing squads; not only will they happily voice opposition to “things”, good luck finding much in the way of common ground. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/387 "2016-11-10T18:42:49Z")
> [@bump](#): > > As something of an outsider who doesn’t consider himself liberal, and who doesn’t affiliate himself with the “conservatives” either, I think this is a huge issue for the liberals and Democratic party. > > It seems to me that the thinking seems to be either all-in with everything, or you’re not really part of the club- you have to espouse ALL the stuff, and can’t disagree with any of it or you’re part of the problem and criticized, especially if you’re not part of one of the aggrieved groups. > > Meanwhile on the other side of the aisle, it’s more like “Pick your viewpoint”- some people are only concerned with pro-life stuff, others with small government, others with low taxation, etc… without necessarily having a sort of common-core of thought. It exists, but one’s adherence to it isn’t nearly so harshly judged. I mean, if you’re a republican, because you’re christian and pro-life, and you show up, and donate and vote, nobody’s going to question your conservative chops because you aren’t a climate change denier or a free trade advocate. > > But woe be it to the liberal who voices opposition to something; it’s treated like a serious betrayal. Don’t really have time for a longer reply at the moment but this is the exact opposite of my experience. If you’re a conservative who disagrees with some aspect of their dogma you’d best keep quiet about it. Liberals can at least tolerate some disagreement even if they think you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811/388 "2016-11-10T19:26:26Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Having death squads at your disposal with no accountability for how they are used tends to encourage people to speak highly of you. Or else. So now you think these polls are rigged? Do you know how these polls are taken? Do you have an proof that he is intimidating the population? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-where-liberalism-has-gone/767811.md?page=19)