# I pit YogSosoth **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 6, 2009, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503 "2009-03-06T08:47:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/21 "2009-03-07T00:30:13Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > … you might realize when you’re being tweaked for lulz. Hate to break it to you, but in between cleaning my guns, fondling them and cleaning them again, I managed to see through his bullshit. He is nothing but a troll looking to get a rise. I called him an asshole however, and I got warned. Go figure. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/22 "2009-03-07T00:42:59Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > Hate to break it to you, but in between cleaning my guns, fondling them and cleaning them again, I managed to see through his bullshit. He is nothing but a troll looking to get a rise. I called him an asshole however, and I got warned. > > Go figure. 🙂 I don’t think he was/is a troll. I think that he believed what he was saying. I have a cousin that gets upset about these issues. One time talking to her she was upset about guns that had holes in the side of the barrel. ??? It took some doing, but it turns out she was talking about barrel shrouds. She had NO idea what they where for, but was absolutely sure that they should be banned. Such is the influence of Hollywood, and people like Carolyn Kennedy. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/23 "2009-03-07T00:45:26Z")
psst… Carolyn McCarthy or Kennedy now that I think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Bobotheoptimist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@Bobotheoptimist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bobotheoptimist)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/24 "2009-03-07T03:10:14Z")
Although I haven’t gone back to check, I strongly suspect I got my first official mod warning as a result of my exasperation with that mindless idjit refusing to learn anything about the subject _it_ was condemning. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/25 "2009-03-07T03:20:44Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > psst… Carolyn McCarthy or Kennedy now that I think about it. Yep. I’m wrong. Carolyn McCarthy. I never considered myself ‘pro’ gun until I heard the ridiculous arguments of the OBVIOUSLY anti-gun folks that call themselves gun-control. The ignorance, and dishonesty from these folks has gone so over the top that I will never, never trust them. I hope with your permission JXJohns, a quote from the GD debate…. > [@JXJohns](#): > > (L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'. This is suggested legislature? If it is, it’s gives ALL of us more reason to fight for our rights. Unbelievable. This is the worst double speak I have ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/26 "2009-03-07T04:19:38Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > It took some doing, but it turns out she was talking about barrel shrouds. She had NO idea what they where for, but was absolutely sure that they should be banned. Don’t you know why they want barrel shrouds banned? They allow Teflon Koated Heat Seeking Armor Piercing Kop Killer Bullets to come out the _side_ of the barrel, through those holes your cousin was so afraid of. 'S’true. I read it on the intrawebs. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/27 "2009-03-07T06:15:47Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > … This is suggested legislature? If it is, it’s gives ALL of us more reason to fight for our rights. Unbelievable. This is the worst double speak I have ever seen. Yes it is legit. I think I liked to it in one of the last posts. It was last introduced in 2008, but my link is to the 2007 version. Coincidentally, they are about word for word copies. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/28 "2009-03-07T06:30:40Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I don’t think he was/is a troll. I think that he believed what he was saying. > > I have a cousin that gets upset about these issues. One time talking to her she was upset about guns that had holes in the side of the barrel. > > ??? > > It took some doing, but it turns out she was talking about barrel shrouds. She had NO idea what they where for, but was absolutely sure that they should be banned. > > Such is the influence of Hollywood, and people like Carolyn Kennedy. What ARE barrel shrouds for? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/29 "2009-03-07T06:50:26Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What ARE barrel shrouds for? [Sez here:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_shroud) > [@](#): > > A barrel shroud is a ventilated covering attached to the barrel of a firearm, that partially or completely encircles the barrel, preventing burns from contact with a barrel hot from firing. […] Barrel shrouds are commonly featured on machine guns, where sustained rapid or automatic fire leave the barrel extremely hot and dangerous to the operator. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/30 "2009-03-07T06:53:25Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > [Sez here:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_shroud) You left part of that quote out. Barrel shrouds have little or no effect on the ballistic performance of the firearm on to which they are installed. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/31 "2009-03-07T07:24:33Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > You left part of that quote out. 😕 So what? I left out another part of that quote too: > [@](#): > > Slides, extensions of the stock that do not fully encircle the barrel, and the receiver (or frame) of a firearm itself are generally not considered barrel shrouds. I quoted only the sentences that were most directly relevant to **Guin** ’s question about what a barrel shroud is. You got a problem with that? Were you imagining that perhaps I nefariously omitted the last sentence because I wanted to somehow make **Guin** believe that barrel shrouds are dangerous? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/32 "2009-03-07T07:46:56Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > You left part of that quote out. > Barrel shrouds have little or no effect on the ballistic performance of the firearm on to which they are installed. Has there been a machine gun manufactured with a barrel shroud since WW2? Seriously, I’d say that a Browning 0.3" with a barrel stroud is a lot less dangerous than an M-249 Minimi without one. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/33 "2009-03-07T07:56:43Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Has there been a machine gun manufactured with a barrel shroud since WW2? Seriously, I’d say that a Browning 0.3" with a barrel stroud is a lot less dangerous than an M-249 Minimi without one. Whether they’re manufactured that way or not, I cannot speak. But, I found a few pictures of M240’s without them. > **[File:M240G-0167-2004-01.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M240G-0167-2004-01.jpg)** > > PhotoID: 20044724929 > Submitted by: Marine Corps Base Camp Butler > Caption: > CAMP HANSEN, Okinawa, Japan - Lance Corporal Kendall S. Boyd (left) and PFC Ryan J. Jones (right), combat engineers, Combat Assault Battalion, 3rd Marine Division, hone their machine gunnery skills by firing the M240G medium machine gun aboard Camp Hansen March 24-25. Photo by: Corporal Ryan Walker > 2004 > Taken from: > **[File:M240 machine gun fired from door of SH-60F Seahawk of HS-8 in 2003.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:030909-N-0905V-056_M240.jpg)** > > 19:52, February 6, 2006 . . Ve3 (Talk) . . 2000x1312 (801080 bytes) (from: http://www.navy.mil/view\_image.asp?id=9499 caption: Description: Petty Officer 2nd Class Landon Randal fires an M240 machine gun from a SH-60F Sea Hawk 030909-N-0905V-056 Pacific Ocean (Sept. 9, 2003) -- Petty Officer 2nd Class Landon Randal ) > https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/PDMCreative Commons Public Domain Mark 1.0falsefalse > .mw-parser-output .license-review-passed{width:100%;margin:0.5em auto;backgrou... Admittedly, I found a lot more _with_ them… ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/34 "2009-03-07T08:56:30Z")
Umm… I know a thing or two about the FN-MAG (A.K.A. M-240). Used to carry one on a daily basis. I’ve never hear of one with a barrel shroud. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/35 "2009-03-07T09:04:21Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Umm… I know a thing or two about the FN-MAG (A.K.A. M-240). Used to carry one on a daily basis. I’ve never hear of one with a barrel shroud. The ones I pictured didn’t have one, though. So, I guess now you’ve seen. I wasn’t expecting to find any when I went to look, myself… I guess it’s unsurprising that a mounted weapon wouldn’t have one, but the first of those two links is a portable M240 without one, and that did really surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/36 "2009-03-07T09:07:58Z")
I said I’ve never hear of one \*with \*a barrel shroud. Got any pictures? ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/37 "2009-03-07T09:13:35Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I said I’ve never hear of one \*with \*a barrel shroud. Got any pictures? Ah, okay. Yes… > **[File:M240B Medium Machine Gun (7414626696).jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USAF_M240B.jpg)** > > العربية ∙ беларуская (тарашкевіца) ∙ català ∙ čeština ∙ Deutsch ∙ English ∙ español ∙ eesti ∙ فارسی ∙ suomi ∙ français ∙ italiano ∙ 日本語 ∙ 한국어 ∙ македонски ∙ മലയാളം ∙ မြန်မာဘာသာ ∙ norsk bokmål ∙ Plattdüütsch ∙ Nederlands ∙ polski ∙ português ∙ português do Brasil ∙ русский ∙ sicilianu ∙ slovenčina ∙ slovenščina ∙ српски / srpski ∙ svenska ∙ Türkçe ∙ українська ∙ Tiếng Việt ∙ 中文（简体） ∙ 中文（繁體） ∙ +/− > 17 February 2017 Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. > You cannot overw... > **[File:4th Infantry Division in Diwaniyah.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4th_Infantry_Division.jpg)** > > العربية ∙ беларуская (тарашкевіца) ∙ català ∙ čeština ∙ Deutsch ∙ English ∙ español ∙ eesti ∙ فارسی ∙ suomi ∙ français ∙ italiano ∙ 日本語 ∙ 한국어 ∙ македонски ∙ മലയാളം ∙ မြန်မာဘာသာ ∙ norsk bokmål ∙ Plattdüütsch ∙ Nederlands ∙ polski ∙ português ∙ português do Brasil ∙ русский ∙ sicilianu ∙ slovenčina ∙ slovenščina ∙ српски / srpski ∙ svenska ∙ Türkçe ∙ українська ∙ Tiếng Việt ∙ 中文（简体） ∙ 中文（繁體） ∙ +/− > SPC Eric Leon, USA > Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. > You cannot ov... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M240B\_Tripod.jpg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M240B_Tripod.jpg) > **[File:M240 with US Army soilder.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M240_with_US_Army_soilder.jpg)** > >   > This image was released by the United States Army with the ID 070206-A-4520N (next). > This tag does not indicate the copyright status of the attached work. A normal copyright tag is still required. See Commons:Licensing. > العربية ∙ বাংলা ∙ > Bahaso Jambi ∙ > Deutsch ∙ Deutsch (Sie-Form) ∙ English ∙ español ∙ euskara ∙ فارسی ∙ français ∙ italiano ∙ 日本語 ∙ 한국어 ∙ македонски ∙ മലയാളം ∙ Plattdüütsch ∙ Nederlands ∙ polski ∙ پښتو ∙ português ∙ русский ∙ slovenščina ∙ svenska ∙ Türkçe ∙ українська ∙ 简体中文 ∙... > **[File:M240E6 M192 Tripod.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M240B_M192_Tripod.jpg)** > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/peosoldier/3879839285/ > العربية ∙ বাংলা ∙ català ∙ čeština ∙ Deutsch ∙ English ∙ español ∙ eesti ∙ فارسی ∙ suomi ∙ français ∙ hrvatski ∙ magyar ∙ Bahasa Indonesia ∙ italiano ∙ 日本語 ∙ 한국어 ∙ lietuvių ∙ македонски ∙ മലയാളം ∙ မြန်မာဘာသာ ∙ Nederlands ∙ polski ∙ português ∙ русский ∙ sicilianu ∙ српски / srpski ∙ svenska ∙ Türkçe ∙ українська ∙ Tiếng Việt ∙ 中文 ∙ 中文（简体） ∙ 中文（繁體） ∙ 中文（臺灣） ∙ +/− > 3rd Ranger Bn. scroll > Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at th... There are a few. I’ve seen them both ways, online. I haven’t had the chance to see all that many in person, so my experience with them is considerably less than yours. ETA: I can’t read for shit. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/38 "2009-03-07T09:15:21Z")
That’s not a barrel shroud, that’s a foregrip. Barrel shrouds are metal. Those are plastic. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/39 "2009-03-07T09:16:38Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > That’s not a barrel shroud, that’s a foregrip. Barrel shrouds are metal. Those are plastic. > **[File:4th Infantry Division in Diwaniyah.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4th_Infantry_Division.jpg)** > > العربية ∙ беларуская (тарашкевіца) ∙ català ∙ čeština ∙ Deutsch ∙ English ∙ español ∙ eesti ∙ فارسی ∙ suomi ∙ français ∙ italiano ∙ 日本語 ∙ 한국어 ∙ македонски ∙ മലയാളം ∙ မြန်မာဘာသာ ∙ norsk bokmål ∙ Plattdüütsch ∙ Nederlands ∙ polski ∙ português ∙ português do Brasil ∙ русский ∙ sicilianu ∙ slovenčina ∙ slovenščina ∙ српски / srpski ∙ svenska ∙ Türkçe ∙ українська ∙ Tiếng Việt ∙ 中文（简体） ∙ 中文（繁體） ∙ +/− > SPC Eric Leon, USA > Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. > You cannot ov... That appears to be metal… ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503/40 "2009-03-07T09:21:01Z")
Okay, I **really** can’t read for shit. I read your original statement as “Has there been a machine gun manufactured with **out** a barrel shroud since WW2?” Which is obviously incorrect. The original Question was “Has there been a machine gun manufactured with a barrel shroud since WW2?” Does the (FN) FAL categorize as a “Machine Gun?” I know that the M16 wouldn’t it’s an assault rifle, and the M14 is a Battle Rifle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-yogsosoth/488503.md?page=3)