# I pitt he asshol;es who called me a racist while my back was turned. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 10, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622 "2010-12-10T03:37:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/81 "2010-12-10T22:44:14Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > People have made the point that the word “unfair” in my definition of racism is as subjective as “unreasonable”. Fair enough. So I will excise that subjective word out of the definition. I have rewrtitten the Cambridge definition as follows. > > _**Racism: /ˈreɪ.sɪ.zəm/ the belief that people’s qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the advocy of different treatment for members of other races based on this alleged inferiority. (Valteron’s definition)**_ I’m afraid you haven’t solved the problem. Other words which are also debated as subjective would include “influenced” and “different”. Probably “race”, too, as it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/82 "2010-12-10T22:53:21Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Since **Valteron** is so stubbornly insistent on not perceiving any difference between radical, moderate, and liberal branches of Islam, I find it rather amusing that he’s demanding that the rest of us make a distinction between bigot and racist. Not that he’s wrong that there’s a distinction, it’s just amusing to see him get so twisted up over precisely the same behavior in which he engages with virtually every post he makes. I am not sure that Muslims themselves would recognize their religion as being divided into radical, moderate and liberal. A basic underlying theme of Islam from its very inception has been that the entire world must eventually brought into submission (Islam means submission) to the doctrines preached by Mohammed and the Koran. To be a sincere Muslim is essentially to want this. There are \*de facto \*extremist and moderate Muslims, to be sure. As one wit put it, the extremist wants to kill infidels. The moderate (like the Ground Zero Imam) patiently explains what the west has done to make the extremist want to kill them. To a large extent, what people in the west interpret as “liberal” Muslims are lapsed Muslims who keep quiet about their position since apostasy is punishable by death, even in Western countries. I am not saying that every lapsed Muslim in Boston or Toronto, for example, has been marked for death. I am saying that making a big deal about the fact that you have rejected Islam may be hazardous to your health in many situations. By the way, at the end of WWII there were eight million members of the Nazi party. I find it impossible to believe that every single one of the eight million were genocidal, racist, brutal, inhuman monsters. Many were school teachers and civil servants trying to hold onto their jobs, for example. But oddly enough, that does not change my opinion of Naziism one iota. Have you ever stopped to wonder how many Muslim women wearing head scarves, veils and burqas are really doing so of their own free will without any social/family pressure? In Muslim ghettos across the free world, spineless governments are accepting the installation of Sharia Courts (there are 85 in Britain). Do you honestkly think the “moderates” and the “liberals” living in the ghettos really get to stand up and oppose the extremists? Do you not think I care about the rights of such people? ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/83 "2010-12-10T23:33:07Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > … and boys wore ties, and black boys who whistled wore this sort of cravat thingy made of rope. Thems were the days! I sniggered. (I mean, I safricanamericaned) I am a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/84 "2010-12-10T23:40:59Z")
Semi-relevant [link](http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-9-2010/the-south-s-secession-commemoration) to last night’s Daily Show episode. Larry Wilmore is great. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/85 "2010-12-10T23:52:05Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > You are assuming that “unreasonable” or “reasonable” are objective, measurable qualities on which we can all agree. Objective and measurable? No. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible to make a determination. You can do that by _applying reason_. There are rational reasons to support or oppose capital punishment or spending measures. There is no rational reasoning behind “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH THE MUSLIMS ARE COMING SAVE MEEEEEEEEEE!” or “OH GOD THERE’S A BIIIIIBLE IN MY HOTEL ROOOMM HEEEEEELP!” > [@](#): > > I have used the technique called _reductio ad absurdium_ Your posts are always absurdum, **Valteron**. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/86 "2010-12-11T00:05:48Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > I am not sure that Muslims themselves would recognize their religion as being divided into radical, moderate and liberal. A basic underlying theme of Islam from its very inception has been that the entire world must eventually brought into submission (Islam means submission) to the doctrines preached by Mohammed and the Koran. To be a sincere Muslim is essentially to want this. Seriously: shut the fuck up, you miserable bigoted shit. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/87 "2010-12-11T00:10:46Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > I did not say I found “intolerance” to be subjective. I’m sorry. You just said its use added “subjective elements.” > [@](#): > > Now finally, could you please refer me to the quote in which I said : “I hate (or do not like) Muslims”? Go ahead, they have good search engines on this site!🙂 Actually, no they don’t. Moreover, I’m not going to sift through your endless history of screeds about how Islam and Western religions are essentially unalike, or about your deep-seated suspicion that even Muslims who flatly deny their desire to put an end to infidels are secret terrorists, or at least terrorist sympathizers. > [@Valteron](#): > > Have you ever stopped to wonder how many Muslim women wearing head scarves, veils and burqas are really doing so of their own free will without any social/family pressure? I most certainly have, and have done the same many other insane, oppressive customs of other religions. How did I get sucked into this thread? I think the hilarious thread title got me. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/88 "2010-12-11T00:23:29Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > In fact, as I have often pointed out, I am part black myself. which part? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/89 "2010-12-11T00:26:26Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > which part? The heart, duh. :rimshot: ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/90 "2010-12-11T00:51:14Z")
I think his story is his great-grandmother was a runaway slave or something. No, seriously. Too lazy to search, so don’t “CITE!!” me, but it’s there. Maybe it was a great aunt, I don’t remember. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/91 "2010-12-11T01:25:45Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Ummm… no. Because there’s already altogether too much use of that particular slimy tactic: "Liberals are bad, and here are some reasons why… Funny, I think there’s already too much use of “Conservatives are bad and here are some (incorrect or dishonest) reasons why” going on around here. Certainly much more than I engage in coming from the other side. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I have no incentive to seriously consider any point you raise as long as you consistently use such slipshod fact-checking. Fact-checking? Who said I was fact-checking? I rattled off a pretty damn good recitation of why people like Blank Slate and probably you are full of shit when you call Republicans racists. I rattled a few examples off the top of my head illustrating how well women and minorities have done under Republican administrations and with Republican electorates. You and certain other posters, panicked that I might be making headway in showing up liberals for the liars they are in this regard, are desperate to come up with some way to neutralize what I said. So you pretend that because I omitted “black” when I talked about Condoleeza Rice becoming the first black female Secretary of State, or forgot about Thurgood Marshall - who let’s face it, has been dead for almost twenty years and doesn’t come to mind nearly as readily as Clarence Thomas - it negates the entire point about how well women and minorities have done with Republicans. Pretty weak sauce, chum. > [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > You simply don’t have a sufficient amount of credibility for me to forgive a few lapses here and there - not when your entire posting style is one giant ongoing lapse. Apparently not, given that I have a virtually unlimited number of opponents around here - each with his or her own educational background, computer and internet access, typing away furiously trying to find something…anything…to negate what I said - have so far only been able to call me on having forgotten to write “black” in mentioning Condoleeza Rice (which is particularly amusing in light of the fact that everyone here knows it anyway), and to mention Thurgood Marshall as the first black Supreme Court justice. Now perhaps you could explain to me how these two minor omissions negate the substance of my post? Did not a Republican president appoint the first female Supreme Court justice? Did not a Republican president appoint the second black Supreme Court justice in history? Did not a Republican president name a black female as his national security advisor and later his secretary of state? Did not a Republican president appoint the first Hispanic Attorney General? Have not a goodly number of women and blacks been elected to congressional and gubernatorial and state seats by Republicans? Is not the head of the Republican party himself black? Liberals have been dining out on this “Pubbies are racists” meme for forty years, and it’s becoming more and more laughable each passing day and as more and more Repubican women and minorities are being elected with every new election cycle. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/92 "2010-12-11T01:30:05Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > I think his story is his great-grandmother was a runaway slave or something. No, seriously. Too lazy to search, so don’t “CITE!!” me, but it’s there. Maybe it was a great aunt, I don’t remember. What I’m not clear on is why should anyone even give a shit. How the fuck is that even relevant to him being a bigoted asshole today? And yet he keeps bringing it up. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/93 "2010-12-11T01:37:46Z")
I think it’s similar to the idiocy about how blacks can’t be racists, they might just happen to hate white people, or Asians, or Jews, or what have you. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/94 "2010-12-11T01:44:47Z")
Well black people can’t be racist… or bigoted, or whatever. Fuck, I hate Jews. Not bigoted because I’m black! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/95 "2010-12-11T01:58:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Funny, I think there’s already too much use of “Conservatives are bad and here are some (incorrect or dishonest) reasons why” going on around here. Certainly much more than I engage in coming from the other side. Bullshit, you’re doing it right now. You, Starving Artist, posted in this thread and people are responding to what you said. Don’t fall back on claiming that anyone disagreeing with you is an attack against all conservatives anywhere. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Fact-checking? Who said I was fact-checking? I rattled off a pretty damn good recitation of why people like Blank Slate and probably you are full of shit when you call Republicans racists. I rattled a few examples off the top of my head illustrating how well women and minorities have done under Republican administrations and with Republican electorates. You did no such thing. You just said women and minorities do well under Republican administrations. And then to “prove” your point, you offered one piece of evidence. Which other people pointed out was wrong. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You and certain other posters, panicked that I might be making headway in showing up liberals for the liars they are in this regard, are desperate to come up with some way to neutralize what I said. So you pretend that because I omitted “black” when I talked about Condoleeza Rice becoming the first black female Secretary of State, or forgot about Thurgood Marshall - who let’s face it, has been dead for almost twenty years and doesn’t come to mind nearly as readily as Clarence Thomas - it negates the entire point about how well women and minorities have done with Republicans. You’re giving yourself too much credit. Nobody was “panicking” over your argument - it was non-existent. All anyone had to do was breathe on it and it fell apart. And it was all your argument. Nobody else came in here making claims about Supreme Court justices. You were the one who said that a Republican appointed the first black justice and that was all the proof that was needed. And then someone pointed out that it was a Democrat not a Republican who appointed the first black justice. And now you’re saying that proves nothing and asking who ever said it did. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/96 "2010-12-11T02:01:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Have not a goodly number of women and blacks been elected to congressional and gubernatorial and state seats by Republicans? Since 1900 there have been three black Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives, and one Senator. (In fairness, two black Republicans will take seats in the House in January. That makes five.) There have been no black Republican governors of any of the fifty states since Reconstruction. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/97 "2010-12-11T02:13:07Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Since 1900 there have been three black Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives, and one Senator. (In fairness, two black Republicans will take seats in the House in January. That makes five.) There have been no black Republican governors of any of the fifty states since Reconstruction. Five in 110 years! That’s a pretty goodly number. I mean, there’s only what, 435 members of the House of Reps at any given time, right? Very good percentage. P.S. **MeanOldLady** , I hate blacks, but I’m a Jew, so I’m not a bigot! Gotcha ya! ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/98 "2010-12-11T02:18:28Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Since 1900 there have been three black Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives, and one Senator. (In fairness, two black Republicans will take seats in the House in January. That makes five.) There have been no black Republican governors of any of the fifty states since Reconstruction. I guess it’s time for SA to whip out the “Your demonstration that I have no idea what I’m talking about just proves how panicked I’ve made you” argument again. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/99 "2010-12-11T02:19:57Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > Gotcha ya! See, I avoid problems like this by simply hating everybody. Also, saves time. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/100 "2010-12-11T03:04:19Z")
I’m intrigued by the Japanese who are exploring bloodtype-based prejudice. It makes our race, religion, and sexual orientation based bigotry seem so … twentieth century. The kind of the thing a Type B would do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622.md?page=6)