# I pitt he asshol;es who called me a racist while my back was turned. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 10, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622 "2010-12-10T03:37:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/101 "2010-12-11T03:07:53Z")
I don’t have time for all this nitpicking bullshit, **Frank** and **Nemo**. The point is that blacks (and women) have been doing very well in the Republican party, both nationally and statewide, particularly when you consider the relatively fewer number of blacks in the Republican party. So you guys just keep whingin’ about how Republicans are racist, and we’ll keep electing more and more women and minorities [“conservative” women and minorities, btw] and making you look like fools for claiming otherwise. And now I got chit to do. Later. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/102 "2010-12-11T03:16:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I don’t have time for all this nitpicking bullshit, **Frank** and **Nemo**. Who’s nitpicking? I’m not attacking the edges of your statement; I’m attacking the central core of it. Refute me, motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/103 "2010-12-11T03:20:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I don’t have time for all this nitpicking bullshit, **Frank** and **Nemo**. The point is that blacks (and women) have been doing very well in the Republican party, both nationally and statewide, particularly when you consider the relatively fewer number of blacks in the Republican party. Point out that the Republicans have elected five black representatives and zero black governors over the last one hundred and ten years is a “nitpick?” What, exactly, would be a substantive response to your arguments? Also, **Frank** , please don’t call other posters “motherfucker.” ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/104 "2010-12-11T03:22:20Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m intrigued by the Japanese who are exploring bloodtype-based prejudice. It makes our race, religion, and sexual orientation based bigotry seem so … twentieth century. The kind of the thing a Type B would do. Seriously. We’re falling behind in bigotry research. Soon we’ll slip behind Japan, and even Germany. It’s all the Type-O’s fault. I’m not bigoted, cause some distant relative of mine was Type-O. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/105 "2010-12-11T03:23:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Also, **Frank** , please don’t call other posters “motherfucker.” Acknowledged. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/106 "2010-12-11T03:36:50Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Seriously: shut the fuck up, you miserable bigoted shit. Gee, I can see why they made you a moderator. I could not come up with witty lines like that if I tried. Seriously, I realize this is the pit, and rules on rudeness and name-calling may be different here, but do you not feel that something posted by a moderator should at least advance the debate in some way? Even here in the Pit? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/107 "2010-12-11T03:56:13Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > Seriously, I realize this is the pit, and rules on rudeness and name-calling may be different here, but do you not feel that something posted by a moderator should at least advance the debate in some way? Even here in the Pit? Moderators are posters too, as you should know, and are perfectly free to state personal opinions. **Miller** did advance the debate anyway, which is whether you are a racist or a bigot. He obviously supports the “bigot” view. Others support the “racist” theory. Some few of us come down foursquare and stalwart for the “just plain stupid” position. What is your stance? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/108 "2010-12-11T04:40:30Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Miller did advance the debate anyway, which is whether you are a racist or a bigot. He obviously supports the “bigot” view. Others support the “racist” theory. Some few of us come down foursquare and stalwart for the “just plain stupid” position. What is your stance? It’s like a Venn diagram. All racists are bigots but not all bigots are racists - some are bigoted about things like religion or sexual orientation or bloodtypes. And all bigots are stupid but not all stupid people are bigots - some are stupid about other things. I’ll leave the diagramming of these relationships as an exercise for the reader. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/109 "2010-12-11T04:56:19Z")
Guys, I will be offline for the rest of the night, now nobody post anything behind my back. You bastards. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/110 "2010-12-11T04:56:54Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s like a Venn diagram. All racists are bigots but not all bigots are racists - some are bigoted about things like religion or sexual orientation or bloodtypes. And all bigots are stupid but not all stupid people are bigots - some are stupid about other things. > > I’ll leave the diagramming of these relationships as an exercise for the reader. [May not be drawn to scale.](http://oi52.tinypic.com/2u9lwjm.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/111 "2010-12-11T05:09:21Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Some few of us come down foursquare and stalwart for the “just plain stupid” position. What is your stance? Oooh! I know. Not yet bipedal on a full time basis? ---
**Author:** ![GiantRat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@GiantRat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GiantRat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/112 "2010-12-11T06:09:11Z")
According to some Senators, Obama isn’t black… he’s “urban” Jesus fuck… I’m a white dude, and would love to be superior to everyone (Emperor of the World is my aspiration), but fuckin’ fuck… no need to tiptoe - we know he’s black. We also know that he’s a citizen. We also know that he might not be the best President who ever sat in the seat. Guess what? Only one President gets to be the best. I vote for Grover Cleveland (or some other marginal President to avoid debate). ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/113 "2010-12-11T06:18:40Z")
Grover had the same name as a Muppet. He wins by default. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/114 "2010-12-11T13:13:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Funny, I think there’s already too much use of “Conservatives are bad and here are some (incorrect or dishonest) reasons why” going on around here. Certainly much more than I engage in coming from the other side. And I invite you to challenge such claims on the facts whenever you see fit. > [@](#): > > Fact-checking? Who said I was fact-checking? I thought my point was pretty clear that you were _not_ fact-checking. > [@](#): > > I rattled off a pretty damn good recitation of why people like Blank Slate and probably you are full of shit when you call Republicans racists. I rattled a few examples off the top of my head illustrating how well women and minorities have done under Republican administrations and with Republican electorates. And it could have been pretty good, if you hadn’t made two rather obvious mistakes. And when called on these mistakes, the classy thing would be to simply acknowledge your errors, but instead the fact that people are correcting you is itself being used to claim how oppressed you are. As a minor additional note, simply reciting a list of Republicans firsts doesn’t in itself demonstrate that women and minorities overall do better within and during Republican administrations. > [@](#): > > You and certain other posters, panicked that I might be making headway in showing up liberals for the liars they are in this regard, are desperate to come up with some way to neutralize what I said. Panicked? Desperate? I’ll try to make this clear: [ul][li]There were some factual errors in your claim[/li][li]This is not the first time this has happened, nor is it the first time factual errors in your claims have been pointed out to you[/li][li]Rather than learn from these incidents and gradually improve your accuracy, you appear utterly indifferent, and try to use the fact that people are correcting you as evidence they fear you, or something[/ul][/li] > [@](#): > > So you pretend that because I omitted “black” when I talked about Condoleeza Rice becoming the first black female Secretary of State, or forgot about Thurgood Marshall - who let’s face it, has been dead for almost twenty years and doesn’t come to mind nearly as readily as Clarence Thomas - it negates the entire point about how well women and minorities have done with Republicans. Well, the only point your (accurate) statements really made was that the Republicans have a number of significant “firsts”, such lists being easy to compile when you can cherry-pick. I had no way of knowing you had forgotten to include the word “black” when referring to Rice. It was just as likely you had simply forgotten about Madeleine Albright (who, incidentally, is _not_ dead). > [@](#): > > Now perhaps you could explain to me how these two minor omissions negate the substance of my post? Well, the substance of your post isn’t what you claim it is. Sure, the Republicans have a number of significant number of “firsts” (and if one wants to compile a comparable list of Democratic “firsts”, all one needs is fifteen minutes on Wikipedia), but being groundbreaking in itself does not mean permanent victory, nor does it mean the group that goes after you can’t do the job (in this case, improving the lives of women and minorities) in a more lasting and more complete manner. > [@](#): > > Did not a Republican president appoint the first female Supreme Court justice? Did not a Republican president appoint the second black Supreme Court justice in history? Did not a Republican president name a black female as his national security advisor and later his secretary of state? Did not a Republican president appoint the first Hispanic Attorney General? Have not a goodly number of women and blacks been elected to congressional and gubernatorial and state seats by Republicans? Is not the head of the Republican party himself black? Sure, now that you’ve added the necessary corrections and qualifiers, I have no issue with the above list. It’s just that it should not have taken such effort to get you to make those corrections, nor was it in invitation to call me, heh, “panicked” or “desperate”. That reaction on your part (and it is definitely not the first time) is why I can’t take you seriously. What’s the point in debating you on facts when the very act of doing so gives you (as you seem to believe) license to jump to dismissive conclusions about my motives? I point out that you made mistakes, you point out that I’m panicked and desperate? Does this strike you as a civilized exchange of ideas? > [@](#): > > Liberals have been dining out on this “Pubbies are racists” meme for forty years, and it’s becoming more and more laughable each passing day and as more and more Repubican women and minorities are being elected with every new election cycle. Yeah, it’s pretty silly. The more accurate sentiment is that AMERICANS are racist, in the sense that they give the whole “race” thing way more attention than it deserves. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622/115 "2010-12-11T16:01:45Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > Gee, I can see why they made you a moderator. I could not come up with witty lines like that if I tried. > > Seriously, I realize this is the pit, and rules on rudeness and name-calling may be different here, but do you not feel that something posted by a moderator should at least advance the debate in some way? Even here in the Pit? You realize, don’t you that **GD** is the **“debate”** forum? This is the **“insult other posters”** forum. No debate necessary. Even from moderators. Bigoted Dumbass! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pitt-he-asshol-es-who-called-me-a-racist-while-my-back-was-turned/563622.md?page=5)