# I predict that Donald Trump is going to win the election for POTUS this year. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 3, 2016, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810 "2016-03-03T05:22:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/121 "2016-03-07T20:53:56Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > This is a bit nonsensical once one realizes that W Bush did a lot of the same at home. > > [Why George W. Bush represents a voice of reason on Islam | Mashable](http://mashable.com/2015/11/20/republicans-muslim-rhetoric-bush/#1NMyGLIYhkqi) Bush never used the Crusades as an excuse for Islamic terrorism as Obama did recently. He also never dishonored Israel like Obama did. Nor did he apologize for America. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/122 "2016-03-07T20:57:20Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > well said; even tho I’m with Dems on the economic issues and most social issues (like gays [not transvestites] and abortion, you touch on some great points about how Obama has been tone deaf to those outside the arch-left. Had Obama been like Bill Clinton on social issues and done everything else the same, but also took on radical Islamic terror and didn’t hate Israel (given American [public opinion](http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles)), there’d be no Trump, perhaps even no Tea Party, and Obama’s party would be in a stronger position. Obama is too happy to fight culture wars. He’s the typical liberal: puts pet causes of like 2 people (the transvestites, or Muslims in America, for example) over the unity of the country; most Americans don’t want men in girls’ bathrooms nor do they convince themselves that the most common religious extremism isn’t Islamic extremism. > > Also, Obama should have done more to at least address many whites’ complaints about blacks’ behavior, instead of just the converse. **While blacks did have it hard for a while to oppressive whites, there is still another side to the coin.** Obama has never had a Sister Souljah moment. Big mistake. Your entire post is some of the most lovely bullshit that has ever been written on the SDMB, but the misinformed and most likely racist part that I helpfully bolded is what really makes your screed stand out amongst its peers; kudos. I’m trying to be as charitable as possible in reviewing what you wrote, lest I inadvertently transgress the bounds of appropriate decorum for the Elections forum. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/123 "2016-03-07T20:57:50Z")
Dishonored Israel? Gimme a break. I’d love to see how it would go over if Obama just showed up in Israel to give a speech denouncing their leader’s policies. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/124 "2016-03-07T20:59:36Z")
[This Guy Thinks Trump Already Won The Presidency](http://www.collegehumor.com/post/7036112/this-guy-thinks-trump-already-won-the-presidency) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/125 "2016-03-07T21:00:46Z")
> [@funky\_little\_lee](#): > > I can’t tell you how much I agree with this. So here’s a view from the working-class trenches: > > We always voted Democrat. The Democratic party was “the working man’s party,” the pro-labor party, the one that “got” us and cared about where we were and what we needed. > > Well! So where are they now? Their party has been taken over by ultra-Left-wing ideologues who care more about state flag styles and gay marriage than our stagnating wages and lost jobs. And we see and hear their thinly veiled (or in some cases naked and undisguised) disdain for us. > > So we decided maybe we should vote Republican. After all, they were talking about tax cuts–and we need every cent we can get–and helping businesses–and businesses create the jobs we need. > > So where are they now? Their party has been co-opted by ultra-Reactionary demagogues who are more interested in their oil company stock options and controlling abortion than in our stagnating wages and lost jobs. And they don’t show us any respect either. > > So along comes Trump. And suddenly we have the opportunity to tell both the Democrats and the Republicans to stuff it. Trump pisses off the Democrats _and_ the Republicans, and who doesn’t love that? And furthermore, how can Trump be any worse for us than either major Party has been? Besides, whether we agree with him or not, the guy says what he thinks and doesn’t let people push him around. It’s not so much about having him actually get elected as being able to vote “No Confidence” to both major parties. > > You may not like this assessment, you can beat me over the head if it makes you feel more righteous, but that’s what this machinist sees on the ground outside the white-collar ivory towers. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > As a former union leader & current union member I agree completely. > > The sadness is that the working class crowd is gonna get tarred with the racist extremist label and/or the unions = communism label. Neither of which are necessarily true. Thank you, **funky little lee** for offering a similar perspective to what I see and hear from members of my own union, from Teamsters, from IBEW, from LIUNA and SEIU members, etc. everyday and that I wrote of and quoted myself on in the OP. For a while there, I thought **LSLGuy** was the only other person who paid attention to the seemingly rarefied levels that I move in (and I didn’t even realize you were a fellow union member, **LSLGuy** ). ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/126 "2016-03-07T21:08:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I would suggest reading that article again. Because your summary is not accurate. > > Sanders does not just interrupt Clinton. He says “Excuse me, I’m talking” and uses a dismissive hand gesture. And he does it multiple times in the debate. That has completely different implications than just interrupting someone. ISTM that the article has been edited since I first linked to it. Because the hyper-linked words in my prior post, “What Bernie Sanders still doesn’t get about interrupting Hillary Clinton”, were C&P’d directly from the WP article headline, but I see now that “interupting” has been changed to “arguing with”. I don’t know if anything else has been changed. Leaving that aside, your summary is not accurate. The article does not state that Sanders did this “multiple times in the debate” as you claim. It said he had “said and done a few things in previous debates that people have described as chauvinistic” (emphasis mine), and suggested that Clinton may have deliberately interupted him in order to provoke this reaction. (It’s a bit unclear what those things are or whether those people’s decriptions are any more valid then than they are now.) > [@](#): > > It comes off as condescending and there is a huge minefield in men being condescending towards women. It sounds from this like you agree with my point, then. But I doubt if you really do - most likely you just didn’t appreciate the implications of your words when you wrote this. > [@](#): > > But then you have the article they linked to deal with. Apparently Clinton [has a bunch of rules](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/18/how-to-debate-like-a-woman/?tid=a_inl) in how a woman is allowed to act in a debate. That other article may or may not be valid, but it’s not the same thing in any event. None of the supposed rules for women involve how they treat their male opponents, as the rules for men dealing with women do. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/127 "2016-03-07T21:12:06Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Bush never used the Crusades as an excuse for Islamic terrorism as Obama did recently. He also never dishonored Israel like Obama did. Nor did he apologize for America. Obama never did any of those things. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/128 "2016-03-07T21:12:23Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The solution to the legitimate grievances of the working class is to do something for them. Not to steal the election from them one more time in a historically unprecedented massively cynical trick. Too bad you’re just as much talking about Trump here. It took me a bit ot figure out what he was saying that appeals to the working class. But then I realized what it is: his protectionism. But protectionism is a huge swindle. It doesn’t help the working class. Companies aren’t going to magically spend more money and hire more local people. Plus there is absolutely no way that Trump could get such a proposal through Congress. Not that this argument makes much sense. The far left: that’s the people who try to help the working class. Working class is another name for the working poor. They’re the ones pretty much all government welfare programs are designed for. And they’re the ones that are most trampled upon by the 1%. Trump is an authoritarian. Picking him means being trampled by the guy who thinks he’s better than you. When has an authoritarian ever been known to help out the poor? Why would someone who thinks his money proves he’s better than you give a shit about your concerns? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/129 "2016-03-07T21:21:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > … > For a while there, I thought **LSLGuy** was the only other person who paid attention to the seemingly rarefied levels that I move in (and I didn’t even realize you were a fellow union member, **LSLGuy** ). The airline industry is heavily unionized. Most pilots’ and flight attendants’ unions are fairly office-workery, more like a government union than an industrial union. At the same time most pilots understand we’re high-tech heavy equipment operators, like overgrown crane drivers or tugboat pilots. Over the years I’ve worked with lots of IAM, Teamsters, & TWU. Definitely a deeply dyed shade of blue in those collars. Both on the shop floor and at union HQ. Whatever you do, don’t get on the wrong side of a flight attendant union. 15000 or 30000 angry women with an all female leadership and no men to calm them down. They can be radical like nothing the UAW or UMW ever thought of. If the DoD had any brains we’d be deploying all-female combat units. The enemy wouldn’t stand a chance once they got pissed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/130 "2016-03-07T21:33:16Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > ISTM that the article has been edited since I first linked to it. Because the hyper-linked words in my prior post, “What Bernie Sanders still doesn’t get about interrupting Hillary Clinton”, were C&P’d directly from the WP article headline, but I see now that “interupting” has been changed to “arguing with”. I don’t know if anything else has been changed. FWIW, I looked through some of the comments on that article on the WP site, and a good percentage if not most had the same reaction that I did (and some explicitly referenced the original title as I posted it here). So I suspect that the article was edited somewhat in response to the criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/131 "2016-03-08T00:28:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Republicans have actually spent the last fifteen years pounding out Orwellian up-is-down bullshit such as: > > - All Muslims want to kill you and you should be very afraid of them. > - Being gay is a choice, and gays are created by liberals > - Illegal immigrants have taken your manufacturing job (that was sent overseas by the corporation), so you should hate them, rather than the top 1% who now control 20% of the country’s wealth rather than the 10% it was in the 1970’s > - Black people are all lazy criminal welfare cheats > > At the moment THESE CRAP LIES are what Trump is relying on to get him votes in the GOP primaries. Just look at what he is saying. On the Muslim thing, he is open to criticism because he said Muslim immigration should be temporarily stopped. The other three are far from anything Trump has said. They’re just some things progressives think Republicans believe, projected onto Trump. Regarding jobs going overseas, he’s been explicitly against outsourcing during this campaign, to the point that he’s being criticized for having flip-flopped from a (rather evenhanded) 2005 statement that outsourcing is not always bad. My original list of Big Lies was nonpartisan. There were two GOP-type lies and two Democrat-type ones, although often both parties lie about the same thing in the same way, like immigration. Here are a couple more: The biggest one of all: Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and was somehow involved in 9/11. The GOP cooked that one up, but many Democrats pushed it as well. Then there’s a more recent one, that there is a rape epidemic at America’s universities, even the extremely liberal ones. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/132 "2016-03-08T00:35:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Thank you, **funky little lee** for offering a similar perspective to what I see and hear from members of my own union, from Teamsters, from IBEW, from LIUNA and SEIU members, etc. everyday and that I wrote of and quoted myself on in the OP. > > For a while there, I thought **LSLGuy** was the only other person who paid attention to the seemingly rarefied levels that I move in (and I didn’t even realize you were a fellow union member, **LSLGuy** ). So here’s my question to you and the others you quote: does it literally not matter to them what policies Trump espouses? Or do they believe that absolutely nothing he can do in office “[can] be worse”? I mean, obviously, they most likely dismiss the idea that he’ll start World War 3, but do the Hispanic union members agree, for example? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/133 "2016-03-08T01:18:19Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Too bad you’re just as much talking about Trump here. **It took me a bit ot figure out what he was saying that appeals to the working class. But then I realized what it is: his protectionism.** > > But protectionism is a huge swindle. It doesn’t help the working class. Companies aren’t going to magically spend more money and hire more local people. Plus there is absolutely no way that Trump could get such a proposal through Congress. > > Not that this argument makes much sense. The far left: that’s the people who try to help the working class. Working class is another name for the working poor. They’re the ones pretty much all government welfare programs are designed for. And they’re the ones that are most trampled upon by the 1%. > > Trump is an authoritarian. Picking him means being trampled by the guy who thinks he’s better than you. When has an authoritarian ever been known to help out the poor? Why would someone who thinks his money proves he’s better than you give a shit about your concerns? No. it’s not his protectionism that the working class people I know like about him. As I’ve said before, and as **funky little lee** just said above, what people like about him is that he is seen as the only way to say “fuck you” to a system and the people who make up that system that they feel isn’t working for them. As in: the employees (elected officials & bureaucrats both) are not working in their interests and as in: the system serves others who’s interest is diametrically opposed to the working class but is paid for by the blood, sweat and taxes of the working class. They feel that they are paying to cause their own suffering and they are tired of it being that way. They see the entirety of it as fucked up and want to tear it down and voting for Trump would not only send that message, they hope it will have that effect. I feel that this is important, that the segment of the population that doesn’t understand the way these people feel and think needs to or else America is going to be in for a rough ride and we prolly won’t like where the ride ends. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/134 "2016-03-08T01:20:14Z")
No, it really doesn’t. He’s not running as a set of policies, but as a set of _attitudes_. His roused-rabble supporters aren’t for anything other than Taking Our Country Back - from a “them” he’s ready to name in whatever situation. The Hitler comparisons are trite, so let’s go with [Boulanger, “The Man on a Horse”,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Ernest_Boulanger#The_rise_of_Boulangisme)instead. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/135 "2016-03-08T01:28:12Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > So here’s my question to you and the others you quote: does it literally not matter to them what policies Trump espouses? Or do they believe that absolutely nothing he can do in office “[can] be worse”? I mean, obviously, they most likely dismiss the idea that he’ll start World War 3, but do the Hispanic union members agree, for example? The policies don’t matter as much as the positions, IMO. People hate illegal immigrants so the fact that he is echoing that hate is important, not what he says he will do about it. People hate paying 10x as much for prescription drugs as any other country does, so they like that Trump talks about it and says it sucks; his plan to “negotiate real good” isn’t as important to them as the fact that he says it sucks and something should be done. Most of the people I hear know that a Trump presidency would be disastrous for the country as a whole; THEY DO NOT CARE. If the powers that be (rich folks, bankers, elected officials, bureaucrats, etc.) are only going to help themselves and not lift up the rest of the country then by God the working class will drag them all down; “the workers will not drown while others float thru life on our bloated corpses” is about the situation. And yeah, I live in Las Vegas and I hear lots of Hispanic people talk about how they also can’t wait to vote for Trump in November. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/136 "2016-03-08T01:39:47Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And yeah, I live in Las Vegas and I hear lots of Hispanic people talk about how they also can’t wait to vote for Trump in November. Once again, the plural of anecdote is not data. > **[No Trump – you are not “number one with Hispanics” in Nevada](https://latinodecisions.com/blog/no-trump-you-are-not-number-one-with-hispanics-in-nevada/)** > > Donald Trump won the Republican Nevada caucuses and in his victory speech Tuesday night he bragged about winning "the Hispanics" as he likes to say. He told his > [@](#): > > 1. Just looking at Latino participation in the Democratic and Republican caucuses, there were an estimated 16,500 Latinos who participated in the Democratic caucus and cast a Democratic ballot. On the Republican side it was about 6,000 and Trump came away with an estimated 2,600 Latino votes, or only 11% of all Latinos participants in the caucuses. > > 2. In a poll of Latino voters in general election battleground states (which included Nevada), impreMedia and Latino Decisions found that 80% of Latino voters said Trump’s statements about Mexicans and immigrants gave them a less favorable opinion of the GOP overall. This has been corroborated by Gallup’s monthly tracker and NBC polling, and reported by CNN in their headline “Latinos see Donald Trump as hurting GOP brand“and most recently by Political Science professor Lynn Vavreck writing for the New York Times Upshot who called him “damager-in-chief to the party reputation” among Latinos. > > Sorry Donald, you are not #1 with Hispanics in Nevada. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/137 "2016-03-08T02:02:06Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > well said; even tho I’m with Dems on the economic issues and most social issues (like gays [not transvestites] and abortion, you touch on some great points about how Obama has been tone deaf to those outside the arch-left. Had Obama been like Bill Clinton on social issues and done everything else the same, but also took on radical Islamic terror and didn’t hate Israel (given American [public opinion](http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles)), there’d be no Trump, perhaps even no Tea Party, and Obama’s party would be in a stronger position. Obama is too happy to fight culture wars. He’s the typical liberal: puts pet causes of like 2 people (the transvestites, or Muslims in America, for example) over the unity of the country; most Americans don’t want men in girls’ bathrooms nor do they convince themselves that the most common religious extremism isn’t Islamic extremism. What you complaint essentially boils down to on the face of it is that Obama has encouraged Trump’s and Trump supporter’s bigotry by fighting bigotry. In some sense, I suppose that might be true. So, what is the solution, to be a big enough bigot that there is no room for Trump…Or, at least not fight bigotry? Sorry…but I don’t buy your logic that people fighting bigotry are to blame for the bigots. If only people were a little more tolerant of bigotry, the bigots wouldn’t feel so threatened? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/138 "2016-03-08T02:20:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Most of the people I hear know that a Trump presidency would be disastrous for the country as a whole; THEY DO NOT CARE. I find that hard to believe. Now, personally, I think it would be disgraceful for the United States to have such a bigoted national leader. However, it is possible that Congress, and the generals, and the bureaucracy, and the Fed, and the Supreme Court, and the World Trade Organization would find ways to limit his freedom of movement and thus prevent disaster. And I’m saying that as someone who is very much anti-Trump! I can’t think pro-Trump folks see there being more certainty of disaster than I do. The biggest risk of disaster, given Trump’s statements, is war with China. And Xi Jinping, sadly, seems more and more reminiscent of Putin. But I still think Xi is competent enough to do what he can on his end to prevent said disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/139 "2016-03-08T02:23:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Once again, the plural of anecdote is not data. > > [No Trump - you are not "number one with Hispanics" in Nevada - Latino Decisions](http://www.latinodecisions.com/blog/2016/02/24/no-trump-you-are-not-number-one-with-hispanics-in-nevada/) Neither your pithy truism nor your cite refute anything I’ve said. I’m telling you what I hear from people I work with, people I work for, people I hear in stores and malls and walking around the park. ETA: Note that I said nothing about Trump being #1 with Hispanics, nor did I claim that most Hispanics support him. You are refuting straw men, **GIGO**. Do you not hear these same types of things from people around you? If not, where are you? And are you listening? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810/140 "2016-03-08T02:27:08Z")
This should scare both Democrats and Republicans: [1,000 Democrats defect to Republicans in one Ohio county](http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/mar/03/mahoning-co-sees-k-voters-defect-to-gop/) > [@](#): > > About 1,000 Democrats in Mahoning County so far have switched their party affiliation to Republican with election officials saying several did it to vote for Donald Trump, the GOP presidential front-runner. > > “We are seeing something this election cycle I’ve never seen before to this degree,” said board Chairman Mark Munroe, who’s also the county Republican chairman. “Every day I take phone calls or get voice messages from people saying they’ve been Democrats all their life and they’ve had it. They want to vote for Donald Trump. I’m surprised at the volume of inquiries we’re getting. It’s remarkable.” > > A number of Democrats taking a Republican ballot when voting early at the board “say they want to vote for Trump,” said Joyce Kale-Pesta, Mahoning County Board of Elections director. > > About 7,000 Mahoning County voters have cast early votes. Early voting started Feb. 17 and ends March 14, the day before the primary. > > Of those 7,000, about 14 percent were Democrats who voted Republican, Kale-Pesta said. That’s about 1,000 so far. That’s just one county in Ohio - 14% of Democrats have switched their party affiliation to vote for Trump. There are two possibilities: One is that Trump is reaching blue-collar Democrats in large numbers. The other is that these Democrats are switching simply to spoil the Republican primary and try to prevent moderate John Kasich from winning over lunatic Donald Trump, just because they think it will help them win in November. If the former, then Donald Trump is quite likely to win the nomination - and equally likely to beat Hillary in November. If the latter, well, that’s pretty anti-democratic and despicable, especially given the threat the man they would be helping to the nomination would be to the country if he were actually elected. They’re taking a huge risk for the country just to help their candidate. They’d better hope that Trump doesn’t find the same kind of magic in the general that seems to be currently holding sway in the Republican party. But 1,000 flips from Democrat to Republican in one county is a pretty big number. If that many are trying to help game the system, that’s some kind of serious organization. So it’s more likely that Trump is just an attractive candidate to those people. As for the Democrats, they had better hope that this is strategic voting, or even that it’s Trump attracting blue collar workers, because if they’re not crossing over for Trump, they’re crossing over simply because they don’t like either candidate the Democrats have put up, or they don’t like the direction of the party. Either way, it’s bad news. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-predict-that-donald-trump-is-going-to-win-the-election-for-potus-this-year/747810.md?page=8)