# I saw my first Nazi today **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396 "2018-07-06T16:36:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/21 "2018-07-06T18:50:15Z")
If your friend was just a bit spooked he had a more solid spine than all the paraders put together. I would have been freaking the fuck out. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/22 "2018-07-06T18:51:05Z")
So when are they gonna start this civil war they keep ranting about? Shit or get off the pot. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/23 "2018-07-06T18:56:11Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > What blows my mind is, how can you be an American AND a Nazi ? No, no, I don’t mean that in an American exceptionalist sense - y’all can certainly be just as shit as anyone. What I mean is that over the past 70 years you’ve all collectively beaten your chests about that ONE thing you (well, your old folks, but it’s always “we” anyway isn’t it ? 😉 ) did that was unequivocally, unquestionably good. You’ve hung half of your national pride on the “WE BEAT THE NAZIS” item, and brought that horse for parade damn near every year - as TV series, Hollywood movies, documentaries or the Hitler, I mean the History channel. And whenever your country is (or your countrymen are) backed into a moral/ethical corner by someone from another country - be it about Viet Nam or Iraq, about the drug war or propping up dictators in Latin America etc… the usual skeletons - the conversation always seems to inexorably steer towards “yeah well if it hadn’t been for us you’d be speaking German right now so how about you just sit down and shut the fuck up ?!” > > So what I mean is, it must be \*really \*dissonant to bellyfeel both strident American nationalism and Nazi sympathies at the same time. > > Well, more dissonant than plain old fascism typically is, anyway. Neo Nazis and skinheads have been around a long time I think their basic ideas are: 1. The Holocaust was a lie 2. It wasn’t as bad as “they” claim. 3. Just because my old man (who’s a jerk anyway) beat them doesn’t mean they’re wrong. 4. “They’re” planning to take over the world. Honestly the whole thing is a trip on the crazy train and only nut jobs believe in it. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/24 "2018-07-06T19:01:38Z")
Still not getting how “MKY LVR” fits a Nazi mindset. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/25 "2018-07-06T20:50:38Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Still not getting how “MKY LVR” fits a Nazi mindset. Me neither. Even if it was “monkey” the next word is “lover” so… that doesn’t seem like the kind of thing a Nazi would be for. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/26 "2018-07-06T22:16:18Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > The guy had a [giant swastika imprinted on a star of David](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5D31oQG8v7s/S0isMnwfKeI/AAAAAAAAABk/Szfqy4CZaSM/s400/WAC-b.gif) as the main decal and then once I started paying attention I noticed there was an 88 on each side of the main decal. We talk about Nazi’s enough on this board that I recognized the 88 as a potential hint the dude was a Nazi but the star of David kind of threw me and the swastika wasn’t really obvious. And, demonstrating the titan intellect of a true believer in The Master Race, the driver has got it wrong. The Nazi Hakenkreuz should be rotated 45 degrees. The swastika inside the two triangles he’s displaying is the [Raelian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#/media/File:Raelian_symbols.svg)symbol. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/27 "2018-07-06T22:21:48Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And, demonstrating the titan intellect of a true believer in The Master Race, the driver has got it wrong. The Nazi Hakenkreuz should be rotated 45 degrees. The swastika inside the two triangles he’s displaying is the [Raelian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#/media/File:Raelian_symbols.svg)symbol. Fascinating! Thanks for sharing **Quartz**. I’ve never heard of Raelism before. Cool stuff. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/28 "2018-07-06T22:43:36Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Still not getting how “MKY LVR” fits a Nazi mindset. My best guess is that MK might stand for Mein Kampf, but I agree that MKY couldn’t really. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/29 "2018-07-07T01:07:52Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And, demonstrating the titan intellect of a true believer in The Master Race, the driver has got it wrong. The Nazi Hakenkreuz should be rotated 45 degrees. The swastika inside the two triangles he’s displaying is the [Raelian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#/media/File:Raelian_symbols.svg)symbol. Huh, thanks for the knowledge, that will make it much easier to laugh if I run across him again. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/30 "2018-07-07T01:27:38Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Fascinating! Thanks for sharing **Quartz**. > > I’ve never heard of Raelism before. Cool stuff. Very cool - as far as cults founded by crackpots go. At least this one doesn’t kill or relentlessly sue anyone. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/31 "2018-07-07T01:46:08Z")
> [@Rebo](#): > > I once witnessed a KKK parade in Southern Alabama while traveling from Texas to Florida during Spring Break. I was with a gay man, and he was a bit spooked. We didn’t stop in Alabama. This was in 1979. Hunh, I still remember how shocked I was the day (sometime in '81) I was driving north out of Houston on I-45 and saw a guy standing by the roadside in full KKK regalia, waving at the passing cars. Can’t say as I can remember ever seeing a Nazi anywhere but on TV though. At least none that were advertising the fact. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/32 "2018-07-07T03:55:07Z")
There used to be annual KKK parades down Congress Avenue in Austin. The city being what it is, protests were less angry shouting and more silly fun. My favorite was the Moon The Clan movement. A wave of bare butts down the sidewalk, leading the pointy-headed ones all the way to the capitol. When they died off to about eight active members, the parades ended. Guess you could say they didn’t have a minyan. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/33 "2018-07-07T04:01:54Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Driving through the grain belt a few years ago, I saw many, many cars with Buck Ofama stickers. How clever. I have a “Buck Flagojevich” sticker from about a decade earlier. Can’t wait for the car seen by the OP to be vandalized, and the police just shrug their shoulders. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/34 "2018-07-07T04:12:35Z")
Does anyone here remember the Christian talk show, “Talk Back With Bob Larson”? It peaked in popularity in the late 1980s, and dissolved in scandal in the mid 1990s; Bob not only went through a messy divorce, he also made not-very-thinly veiled threats against President Clinton. Anyway, the founder of the Raelians, Claude Vorilhon, used to call his show all the time. I know now that this was for real, because Claude/Rael has a very distinctive-sounding voice. The program was mostly good for a laugh. > **[Raël](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABl)** > > Raël\[a\] (born Claude Maurice Marcel Vorilhon,\[b\] 30 September 1946) is a French journalist who founded and leads the Raëlian Movement, an international UFO cult. > Before becoming a cult leader, Raël, then known as Claude Vorilhon, worked as a sports-car journalist and test driver for his car-racing magazine, Autopop. Following a purported extraterrestrial encounter in December 1973, he formed the Raëlian Movement and changed his name to Raël (meaning "messenger of the Elohim"). He later publish... ---
**Author:** ![pullin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c57346/32.png) [@pullin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pullin)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/35 "2018-07-07T10:12:44Z")
I’m gonna embarrass myself here, but what does the “88” mean? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/36 "2018-07-07T10:19:47Z")
> [@pullin](#): > > I’m gonna embarrass myself here, but what does the “88” mean? 88 stands for HH - H being the 8th letter of the alphabet - and thus Heil Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/37 "2018-07-07T10:30:32Z")
It’s by no means a universal thing but as I understand it, neo-nazis basically adopted it as code. The 8th letter of the alphabet is H, therefore 88 = HH. HH = Heil Hitler. _Nazi-ninja’d_ ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/38 "2018-07-08T14:00:35Z")
I might be wrong, and I really don’t care for the odious task of trying to dig for cites on this particular subject, but when I looked at that pic linked in the OP, I noted the red slash going over a combined star of david and the swastika-like symbol. My first impression was that this group’s symbol is an attempt to godwinize zionists and conflate them with the nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/39 "2018-07-08T14:22:29Z")
I’ve read weirder. Don’t hold it against me, because it sincerely was all about dread curiosity and “research” (in the same sense that you research German bukkake, y’know ?) but some blokes apparently go "The Holocaust is good for Them Jews’ moral highground, and Them Jews are implicitly terrible in every thing on account of they’re Jews ; \*\*therefore \*\*the Jews AND THE NAZIS (and this is the salient part) collaborated so that Them Jews would get a pass for ever and ever on everything at the cost of having like a billion of them killed (often in horrific fashion); and that’s a fair trade apparently. See, the Jews and the German Nazis were all in it together, which is why you gotta support American Nazis. Because they oppose Them Jews, which is the same as opposing the historical Nazis. And if you have to borrow the Nazis’ playbook to do so, well, that’s unfortunate but it works so there. Don’t think too hard about it. Oh, god, please, don’t, really, don’t, we’re fucked if you do. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396/40 "2018-07-08T18:15:15Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > The guy had a [giant swastika imprinted on a star of David](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5D31oQG8v7s/S0isMnwfKeI/AAAAAAAAABk/Szfqy4CZaSM/s400/WAC-b.gif) as the main decal and then once I started paying attention I noticed there was an 88 on each side of the main decal. How close is this image to what you saw? I immediately recognized the image as the Raëlian symbol (misused to represent “Zionism,” possibly by someone who’d also fail to define Zionism). But I didn’t understand that from your description. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-my-first-nazi-today/817396.md?page=3)