# I saw Pirates again on DVD and I have a question (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 23, 2004, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684 "2004-02-23T15:48:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Journeyman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/779978/32.png) [@Journeyman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Journeyman)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/21 "2004-02-24T05:49:21Z")
They need everyone’s: the reason they need Will’s blood is because all of the other pirates’ blood has been applied already: it requires everyone who removed a coin from the chest to put blood, and the coin(s), back in to lift the curse. ---
**Author:** ![Beauty\_Personified](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e480ec/32.png) [@Beauty\_Personified](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beauty_Personified)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/22 "2004-02-24T05:51:03Z")
> [@Obsidian Flutterby](#): > > Then why do they need _Bootstrap’s_ blood to get rid of it? Because anybody who took a coin from the Aztec chest was cursed, and to break the curse, they each had to return the coins they took and each had to give blood… ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/23 "2004-02-24T05:52:19Z")
Okay, that makes sense now. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Bob55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bob55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob55)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/24 "2004-02-24T06:08:22Z")
So even if Bootstrap survived the crushing depths, wouldn’t he have died the second the curse was lifted and he returned to his mortal state? That is unless of course he escaped before the curse was lifted. ---
**Author:** ![adhemar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@adhemar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhemar)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/25 "2004-02-24T08:37:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Bootstrap wouldn’t have been crushed by the depths, at least not permanently. Once his innards filled with seawater, the pressure would be equalized, and he’d be able to remain uncrushed. It then becomes an open question as to whether he was able to free himself and make it back to the surface before the curse was lifted (at which point he becomes unambiguously dead, if he didn’t make it). wouldn’t he have turned to a skelaton as soon as he got out of the direct light? and in theory his skelaton would cause the ropes to go slack and he would then be free. I don’t see how he could not be alive. Or in the 10 years between when he was dropped in ocean, the ropes would rot. I thought at the time it was the set up for a sequel. Adhemar ---
**Author:** ![Profane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@Profane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Profane)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/26 "2004-02-24T09:10:49Z")
My question, if they’re all dead, how did they get themselves to bleed? It never shows them as bleeding, even if they get stabbed while not in skeleton mode. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/27 "2004-02-24T13:39:53Z")
> [@adhemar](#): > > wouldn’t he have turned to a skelaton as soon as he got out of the direct light? and in theory his skelaton would cause the ropes to go slack and he would then be free. I don’t see how he could not be alive. Or in the 10 years between when he was dropped in ocean, the ropes would rot. I thought at the time it was the set up for a sequel. > Adhemar No, because they were only skeletons in moonlight. At the end, when they’re all marching underwater, it’s still rather clear water, so the light’s able to get down to them. But if they dropped Bootstraps off during the day, he’d never turn into skeleton form, and thus, he’d be screwed. Of course, once the preasure mashed him up, he’d probably be able to get out of the chains, assuming he could still move, but then he probably wouldn’t float up to the top. And who’s to say some underwater critters didn’t make a meal out of him over the years? ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/28 "2004-02-24T13:59:00Z")
> [@](#): > > “Barbossa got really pissed off, strapped him to a cannon, and dropped him into, as \_\_\_ tells us, the crushing depths of Davy Jones’ Locker—Implying that perhaps while Bill cursed is still alive, he may be a very thin puddle on the ocean’s bottom. So that’s what happens to Bill.” The pirate’s jibes aside, he wouldn’t have been crushed. He only needed his skeleton to act, and frankly, the Carribbean is not deep enough to mash one’s skeleton. He would not be a puddle on the ocean floor. > [@](#): > > So then I wonder, why would an invincible ghost pirate ship be afraid of anything? Particularly when they need the coin that is apparently on the ship? The Dauntless could certainly put a bunch of holes in the Pearl. Why face it for no gain? ---
**Author:** ![Oreo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c57346/32.png) [@Oreo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oreo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/29 "2004-02-24T15:01:26Z")
> [@smiling bandit](#): > > The pirate’s jibes aside, he wouldn’t have been crushed. He only needed his skeleton to act, and frankly, the Carribbean is not deep enough to mash one’s skeleton. He would not be a puddle on the ocean floor. Hey, I’m not arguing with you. I freely admit I know nothing about the science of water pressure, etc. All I’m saying is this is what _the writers_ think happened to him. IMHO, they created the world we’re talking about, so we should take their word as law, even if it doesn’t really make sense in “real life.” After all, we’re talking about undead skeleton pirates. Surely we can bend the rules of nature a wee bit further? ---
**Author:** ![beajerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@beajerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beajerry)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/30 "2004-02-24T18:32:39Z")
The only discrepency I remember was the two Black Pearl goofs in the governor’s mansion chasing the girl, when she dumps hot ashes on them and the wood-eye dude says, ‘owww, that burns!’ I thought they couldn’t feel anything. And then in the fights they kept getting stabbed and making “Ooof” and “Owww” noises. ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/31 "2004-02-24T21:27:05Z")
I never got the impression that they couldn’t feel ANYTHING. After all, if all your nerves went dead, you’d realize pretty fast that something was wrong. Barbosa gave the impression that it took them a while to realize that they were cursed. If we’re talking a magic curse here, it would be far more cruel to allow pain but not pleasure than no feeling at all. ---
**Author:** ![Humble\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/47e85d/32.png) [@Humble\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Humble_Servant)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/32 "2004-02-24T21:50:09Z")
> [@Oreo](#): > > After all, we’re talking about undead skeleton pirates. Surely we can bend the rules of nature a wee bit further? Well, aren’t they more like guidelines anyway? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/33 "2004-02-24T22:53:12Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > My problem was that no-one actually recognizes Orlando Bloom until he announces he’s Bootstraps son, and Mackenzie Crook (the wooden eyed Pirate) says ‘E’s the spittin’ image of ol’ bootstrap!’. > They’ve seen him before, in the port when they attack it, and no-one clocks this fact? > Still, Arrrrr! its my favourite movie of last year, aside from LOTR. Along with the other disclaimers, you might note that a) this was a pirate raid, not a leisurely stroll through the quaint tourist-trap village; b) at the time they saw Will, the pirates already had possession of Elizabeth and the coin. They weren’t looking for another candidate to stand in for Bootstrap Bill; they were making their way back to the _Black Pearl_ with their prize. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/34 "2004-02-25T00:38:31Z")
> [@LunaSea](#): > > My question, if they’re all dead, how did they get themselves to bleed? It never shows them as bleeding, even if they get stabbed while not in skeleton mode. When Elizabeth stabs Barbosa during their dinner on the Black Pearl, the knife comes out covered in blood. Although it looks more like strawberry jam than blood, but since I can’t think why Barbosa’s torso would have been filled with jam, I assume it must have been blood. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/35 "2004-02-25T01:20:39Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Although it looks more like strawberry jam than blood, but since I can’t think why Barbosa’s torso would have been filled with jam, Well then you’re just not using your imagination! What could be greater than a jelly-filled pirate?! ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/36 "2004-02-25T01:40:25Z")
> [@](#): > > No, because they were only skeletons in moonlight. At the end, when they’re all marching underwater, it’s still rather clear water, so the light’s able to get down to them. But if they dropped Bootstraps off during the day, he’d never turn into skeleton form, and thus, he’d be screwed. I thought they were always skeletons, but the moonlight reveals their true nature. The daylight look is just a false picture, IMO. Anyway, with the crushing depths, I don’t think the writers are thinking too much about the physics. Remember how Depp and Bloom get on the first boat (which they use to steal the Dauntless) in the first place (using an upturned boat to walk on the bottom of the harbor)? I mean, that is physically impossible. So I don’t think they’ll concern themselves with physical reality with Bootstrap if they want him :D. ---
**Author:** ![Tallayan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Tallayan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tallayan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/37 "2004-02-25T02:52:51Z")
Yeah I beleive one of the ghost pirates says something to the effect of “The moonlight shows us for what we really are” Infering that they are always skeletons. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/38 "2004-02-25T03:28:08Z")
The change is more than just visual, though: Remember that the bomb-throwing guy wasn’t able to get the bomb out of his belly when he was shoved back into the shadows. And the bit with walking along the bottom with the boat is perfectly possible, if they had ballast of some sort to keep them on the bottom. We’re not really shown either way, but I don’t think that it’s an unreasonable assumption. ---
**Author:** ![paperbackwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@paperbackwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paperbackwriter)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/39 "2004-02-25T04:53:02Z")
> [@smiling bandit](#): > > The pirate’s jibes aside, he wouldn’t have been crushed. He only needed his skeleton to act, and frankly, the Carribbean is not deep enough to mash one’s skeleton. He would not be a puddle on the ocean floor. Oh, no? I take it you are not familiar with the [Cayman Trench](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayman_Trench), then? This trench goes [right through the center of the Caribbean](http://www.sea007.com/Info_WorldSea/images/Atlantic-CaymanTrench.gif) and is the deepest point in the Caribbean Sea with a maximum depth of 25,216 feet. Sounds pretty crushing, to me. In fact, according to [this site](http://www.speckdesign.com/Tpressure.html), the pressure at that depth is 10,931.841 psi! ---
**Author:** ![Gunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gunslinger)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684/40 "2004-02-25T06:39:27Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Remember how Depp and Bloom get on the first boat (which they use to steal the Dauntless) in the first place (using an upturned boat to walk on the bottom of the harbor)? I mean, that is physically impossible. It’s an homage to a really old pirate movie in which somebody did the same thing (I forget which – it’s listed on the IMDb Trivia page for POTC). The boat would have to be made of lead for it to actually work. On the subject of Ragetti’s “Oww, it’s hot!” when he gets the coals dumped on him: I have two theories. 1) They can feel pain but not pleasure, as someone’s already mentioned; 2) Ragetti’s effin’ _stupid_, and just reacting to _seeing_ the coals. Note that as soon as Pintel distracts him, he stops going on about the burning and follows, even though the coals are still on him. Either way, it works. 3) **racinchikki** thinks she recalls another scene that supports the idea that Ragetti’s afraid of fire, but we can’t remember what it was at the moment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-saw-pirates-again-on-dvd-and-i-have-a-question-spoilers/230684.md?page=3)