# I say "Islam" What's the first thing you think of? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 2, 2012, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515 "2012-02-02T06:08:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/301 "2012-08-29T20:52:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The fact that they can’t. Cite your evidence for this fact. Do you have a magic force-field that stops Christians from killing you or others for blasphemy? Do you have any cites for riots or murders over the daily blasphemy that occurs against that religion? Because if you have such a force-field you might want to share it with the rest of us so we don’t have to deal with the unending attacks around the world from the more ardent supporters of Islam. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/302 "2012-08-30T00:21:00Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Apart from Christianity, Islam is at war with Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Judaism, Atheism as well as with itself, across the world. And so is Christianity. > [@Magiver](#): > > Cite your evidence for this fact. Do you have a magic force-field that stops Christians from killing you or others for blasphemy? Do you have any cites for riots or murders over the daily blasphemy that occurs against that religion? > > Because if you have such a force-field you might want to share it with the rest of us so we don’t have to deal with the unending attacks around the world from the more ardent supporters of Islam. :rolleyes: Oh, please. I said they can’t _get away with it_, not that they couldn’t kill me. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/303 "2012-08-30T00:45:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > :rolleyes: Oh, please. I said they can’t _get away with it_, not that they couldn’t kill me. Muslims seem to able to get away with it. What is different among the other religions you insist are at war with the world? I could heat my house with bibles all winter long yet the suggestion that a Quran might be burned causes riots 6000 miles away. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/304 "2012-08-30T00:53:30Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Muslims seem to able to get away with it. What is different among the other religions you insist are at war with the world? _Again_. It’s the fact that the government in some place like America is dominant over the local religions, and will punish them if they get out of line. And plenty of believers in America _do_ attack or kill “sinners” _when they think they won’t be caught_; look at gay bashing. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/305 "2012-08-30T01:37:24Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > _Again_. It’s the fact that the government in some place like America is dominant over the local religions, and will punish them if they get out of line. And plenty of believers in America _do_ attack or kill “sinners” _when they think they won’t be caught_; look at gay bashing. Again, decades of economic prosperity, education, access to internet, tv etc didn’t weaken Islam or made governments dominate over it. And it will never happen by the look of things. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/306 "2012-08-30T02:03:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > _Again_. It’s the fact that the government in some place like America is dominant over the local religions, and will punish them if they get out of line. And plenty of believers in America _do_ attack or kill “sinners” _when they think they won’t be caught_; look at gay bashing. This is an absurd statement to make. There is zero dominance over religions by the government. It’s expressly forbidden by the constitution. consider yourself free to cite the killing of sinners. ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/307 "2012-08-30T02:11:35Z")
The first thing I think of is the geometric patterns that adorn some of the classic mosques. I don’t even think “religion” or “mosque” but “pattern”. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/308 "2012-08-30T02:15:08Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > This is an absurd statement to make. There is zero dominance over religions by the government. Of course there is. Religions are not allowed to violate the law and are called on it all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Makeitstop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@Makeitstop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Makeitstop)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/309 "2012-08-30T05:02:17Z")
The Ottoman Empire, actually. I play a little too much Empire: Total War. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/310 "2012-08-30T10:39:03Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And so is Christianity. I’ve created another thread on Christianity. [I say “Christianity” What’s the first thing you think of?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15438956#post15438956) ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/311 "2012-08-30T10:54:42Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Millions. > > Nonsense. Plenty of atheists suffer harassment and worse if they admit to being atheist in America. And in much of Europe, Christianity is simply weak. > > As if Islam invented blasphemy laws. > > Yes I know; Islam = brown people and you think brown people are all stupid brutal subhumans. > > Islam is brutal and oppressive in theocracies because religions are _always_ brutal and oppressive in a theocracy. Islam, Christians, Buddhists; doesn’t matter. > > What makes you think I’m dumb enough to express my opinions publicly here in America? You are confusing what Islam is now with what Christianity has been on occasion in the past. But it seems you enjoy your little charade, and who am I to deprive you of it? If your paranoia extends to a fear of expressing your opinions publicly in America, by all means keep them to yourself. (It’s safe though, just as an FYI.) However I realize you need to keep up a pretense that it is not so you don’t have to change your entire paradigm. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/312 "2012-08-31T00:58:36Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Of course there is. Religions are not allowed to violate the law and are called on it all the time. And yet some of them manage to break the law quite spectacularly. It would appear that Islam is brutal and oppressive outside of theocracies despite the law. But Chief Pedant already pointed out that you won’t admit your position publicly so that pretty much sets the tone for any further input on your part. ---
**Author:** ![flodnak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/838e76/32.png) [@flodnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flodnak)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/313 "2012-09-01T10:48:44Z")
First thing I think of is some of the students at my school. Particularly the girl who always wears a sparkly hijab that matches the rest of her outfit - and hot pink Chuck Taylors peeking out from under her skirt. ---
**Author:** ![MikeFromDunstableUK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@MikeFromDunstableUK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeFromDunstableUK)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/314 "2012-12-08T21:52:00Z")
Terrorist. But I am just watching back to back Homeland series 1. And I’m not remotely religious. ---
**Author:** ![taskmgr.exe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@taskmgr.exe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taskmgr.exe)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/315 "2012-12-08T22:55:02Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > Religion. You da man! > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > In other religions its very rare. Other religions have also reformed themselves over time but not Islam. > Its at war with every other religion across the world: > Christianity and Islam > Hinduism\sikhism and Islam > Buddhism and Islam > Atheism and Islam > > If the US was Islamic it wouldnt be the land of freedom and opportunity. Neither would it be the leader in science , technology and education. Islam was born 500-600 years after Christianity was born. So, I guess we can say Islam needs at 500-600 years to reform itself. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515/316 "2012-12-09T01:20:54Z")
In general. First: Intolerance towards females. Second: Intolerance towards anyone who is not agreeing with them. Third: Inability to learn compassion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-say-islam-whats-the-first-thing-you-think-of/611515.md?page=15)