# I smell the smelly smell of desperation: Obama not a citizen. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 15, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002 "2008-10-15T03:23:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/161 "2008-10-31T00:53:58Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > He was referring to Berg, not Corsi. Philip Berg is a Philadelphia lawyer and an embittered Hillary supporter. Had to look up Corsi. He tried to copy Berg’s suit. Berg is appealing the decision so he’s not going away and there is someone else out there called Andy Martin trying to do the same thing. And the [Bulletin](http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20182393&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8) newspaper pulled the article referencing the Worldnet claims. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/162 "2008-10-31T01:03:08Z")
ahem! ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/163 "2008-10-31T02:09:56Z")
sooooo…that’s a no on the cite then? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/164 "2008-10-31T02:35:07Z")
Og, are we going to have to endure this kind of nonsense throughout Obama’s administration? ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/165 "2008-10-31T02:37:52Z")
nevermind… ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/166 "2008-10-31T04:41:27Z")
I’ll just post here every time I notice Magiver posting, maybe he will notice and provide that cite. Magiver has posted 18 times in other threads since being asked for a cite for some reason he has failed to provide it. Hmmmm…I wonder why? Maybe I’m on his ignore list, somebody else ask him for the cite. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/167 "2008-10-31T15:52:45Z")
Magiver, old bean, I wonder if you could come up with a cite for the following: > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Magiver > The Governor of Hawai sealed Obama’s birth cirtificate until after the election? I mean, you must have seen it somewhere, and not simply made it up, right? Or is the question mark supposed to be a Fox-news like thing? Sort of like: John McCain - Did he give sensitive information to his captors in North Vietnam? ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/168 "2008-10-31T16:43:02Z")
This is so ridiculous. Anyone pushing this message needs to get their skull drilled. It’s that simple. Do you think that there’s this big conspiracy going on? Do you think that over his entire career, nobody would have found it convenient to prove he wasn’t born where he said he was? Uncovering a coverup would destory his career. What about the birth announcement in the newspaper? Do you think, that his mom and his dad – enrolled in college in Hawaii (there’s certainly records there) – went to some foreign country to give birth to him? It really boggles the mind when people claim he wasn’t born where he says he was. If not, why and how? ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/169 "2008-10-31T19:05:38Z")
Come on guys! You only have a few days left and then the unamerican terrorist will be in charge and we’ll all be on the spiky-seated godless rollercoaster to marxist communist islamofascist black power anti-americanism! This is no time to stop digging for cites! ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/170 "2008-10-31T19:13:05Z")
> [@Merkwurdigliebe](#): > > This is so ridiculous. Anyone pushing this message needs to get their skull drilled. It’s that simple. Do you think that there’s this big conspiracy going on? Do you think that over his entire career, nobody would have found it convenient to prove he wasn’t born where he said he was? Uncovering a coverup would destory his career. > > What about the birth announcement in the newspaper? Do you think, that his mom and his dad – enrolled in college in Hawaii (there’s certainly records there) – went to some foreign country to give birth to him? > > It really boggles the mind when people claim he wasn’t born where he says he was. If not, why and how? Anyone still clinging to that birth certificate thing is no longer worth my time, for the reasons you mentioned. If i wanted to debate children, i’d teach kindergarten. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/171 "2008-11-01T00:18:26Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I’ll just post here every time I notice Magiver posting, maybe he will notice and provide that cite. Magiver has posted 18 times in other threads since being asked for a cite for some reason he has failed to provide it. Hmmmm…I wonder why? > > Maybe I’m on his ignore list, somebody else ask him for the cite. OK. Cite, **Magiver?** ---
**Author:** ![CheapBastid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8baadc/32.png) [@CheapBastid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CheapBastid)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/172 "2008-11-10T05:21:17Z")
It sounds like the appeal has gone to the SCOTUS who is requesting Obama supply his Birth Certificate: [http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/](http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/) ---
**Author:** ![whorfin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/6f9a4e/32.png) [@whorfin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whorfin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/173 "2008-11-10T05:32:46Z")
> [@CheapBastid](#): > > It sounds like the appeal has gone to the SCOTUS who is requesting Obama supply his Birth Certificate: > [http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/](http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/) I can’t find any such order from the supreme court. They tend to be reasonably good about issuing orders when they actually, you know, order someone to do something. [http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/08ordersofthecourt.html](http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/08ordersofthecourt.html) Presumably, (IANAL, IANAUSSC clerk), what the clerk said was that obama would have a chance to respond to the petition for Cert, but AFAIK, there’s no obligation to do so till the writ is actually issued. Even if the president-elect. did, the response wouldn’t be on the merits-the petition is asking the court to take the case, and the response would argue that the Court shouldn’t take the case—it wouldn’t address the merits of the case. (and as I note below, before the supreme court, the question isn’t going to be if the president-elect is a citizen-it’s whether berg has standing to bring such a suit. That probably doesn’t need a birth certificate even if cert is granted. I note that the article linked to the link given, which allegedly reports Souter’s action says that “but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1.” (IMHO, the article talking about the Court’s action (which is linked from the one herein linked is one of the most distinctive examples I’ve seen of someone who really doesn’t understand the law trying to write about it). There is no writ of Certiorari. If there was one, the court would have issued an order. Presumably, berg has filed a petition-which is a very different thing. Further, the supreme court essentially never decides issues of fact. They decide issues of law-in this case, if Berg has standing to bring a suit to get the president-elect to show his birth certificate. If he wins, then it would go back to the district court for “proceedings consistent with this opinion”-i.e. THEN demanding production of the birth certificate. (notably, the question of whether Berg has standing to bring this suit is far more interesting and legally complicated than the one on the merits-of whether the president-elect was born in Hawaii, and is hence a natural-born citizen) And, as has been noted time and time again, there’s no question here. Obama was born in Hawaii-and has produced his birth certificate. He has no obligation to show it to a court until the court orders him to do so, which, clearly, has not occurred to date. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/174 "2008-11-10T05:43:37Z")
> [@CheapBastid](#): > > It sounds like the appeal has gone to the SCOTUS who is requesting Obama supply his Birth Certificate: > [http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/](http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/) 1. There is no such request by the SCOTUS. 2. Anyone may file an appeal whether it will be granted Cert is another matter. 3. Hi Magiver, any cite yet? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/175 "2008-11-10T15:31:58Z")
I just ran across this tidbit: > **[UQ Wire: Philip Berg - Seeking the "Truth of 9/11" | Scoop News](https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0701/S00076.htm)** > > (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania - 01/04/07) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, \[Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in... The same Philip Berg filed a lawsuit in 2007, demanding the arrest of Bush and Cheney for the crimes of 9/11. So Berg is a 9/11 Truther as well - he’s got an impressive crackpot resume’! ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/176 "2008-11-15T18:41:38Z")
And now, Alan Keyes has gotten in on the action. And while I loathe ever citing this publication, it’s all that’s available being that respected sources aren’t really jumping on this one. [Source](http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931) Of course, that’s probably just another example of the overwhelming left-wing media bias. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/177 "2008-11-15T19:26:26Z")
> [@Club\_33](#): > > And now, Alan Keyes has gotten in on the action. LOL – it was Keyes who gave Obama his entry onto the national stage by running one of the most inept and pathetic campaigns I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/178 "2008-11-15T19:30:07Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > OK. Cite, **Magiver?** Post 161. I had already answered askeptic as to the source of Berg’s assertions and would have pointed it if he/she had not started in with the snarky attitude and called me “sparky”. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/179 "2008-11-15T19:35:30Z")
> [@Club\_33](#): > > And now, Alan Keyes has gotten in on the action. > > And while I loathe ever citing this publication, it’s all that’s available being that respected sources aren’t really jumping on this one. > > [Source](http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931) > > Of course, that’s probably just another example of the overwhelming left-wing media bias. Maybe Keyes is having an affair with Berg. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002/180 "2008-11-15T20:00:58Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Post 161. I had already answered askeptic as to the source of Berg’s assertions and would have pointed it if he/she had not started in with the snarky attitude and called me “sparky”. You really need to learn what constitutes a cite, Sparky. So far you ain’t done it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-smell-the-smelly-smell-of-desperation-obama-not-a-citizen/468002.md?page=10)