# I think Biden should resign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [November 7, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866 "2024-11-07T17:02:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/23 "2024-11-07T18:48:11Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Okay so I order the military to take the full body of the national oil reserves, spread it across an optimal slice of farmland in the middle of California, to destroy the bread basket of the nation. > > Flick of a switch to undo: Yes or no? That is a dumb example of a completely counterproductive act which would in no way “disaster proof some stuff”, which was your original position in [your earlier post](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/8). Please return the goalposts to their position at the end of the field. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/24 "2024-11-07T18:53:56Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > That is a dumb example of a completely counterproductive act which would in no way “disaster proof some stuff” No shit? So then we’re pretty well agreed that any such read would be nonsensical, and replying as though it was is not productive? ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/25 "2024-11-07T19:03:41Z")
I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/26 "2024-11-07T19:07:37Z")
> [@fedman1](#): > > doesn’t that scenario have to go through Congress first? He merely needs to send a memo to the Secretary of State. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/27 "2024-11-07T19:09:29Z")
Like this. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Letter_of_Resignation_of_Richard_M._Nixon%2C_1974.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Letter_of_Resignation_of_Richard_M._Nixon%2C_1974.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/28 "2024-11-07T19:10:08Z")
I disagree completely BUT if he were to do it, it should have been when he announced he was not running for re-election so Harris would be running as the incumbent. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/29 "2024-11-07T19:10:18Z")
Would Harris want to do it, however? If she has political ambitions for the future, which most pols at this level do, then I think that such a trick would do her harm rather than good. Why? Because it would seem as though Biden and she were dicking around with our most important institutions just to troll Trump and MAGA. Now if Biden had a legitimate reason to resign, then that would be different. But I can’t imagine any. Even if he were incapacitated, she would normally just take over his duties per the constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Sigene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df788c/32.png) [@Sigene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigene)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/30 "2024-11-07T19:13:37Z")
This just smacks of good fodder for the “DEI = Didn’t Earn It” crowd. I don’t want to give them any more ammunition that confirms their position. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/31 "2024-11-07T19:21:47Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > If she has political ambitions for the future, which most pols at this level do, then I think that such a trick would do her harm rather than good. No way she has any serious ambitions for the future. She was VP, tried for President, and utterly failed. No way she’ll ever have another shot at President, and any other office would be a step backwards. Almost no one in politics does that. She’ll probably start a foundation or some such thing, and go on the lecture circuit. Maybe write a book. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/32 "2024-11-07T19:23:19Z")
> [@Sigene](#): > > This just smacks of good fodder for the “DEI = Didn’t Earn It” crowd. > > I don’t want to give them any more ammunition that confirms their position. Thread won. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/33 "2024-11-07T19:42:58Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > No way she has any serious ambitions for the future. She was VP, tried for President, and utterly failed. No way she’ll ever have another shot at President, Many people thought this about Trump on January 7, 2021, and yet here we are. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/34 "2024-11-07T19:50:51Z")
Yes, plus: Richard Nixon. I can easily see Harris going up against an incumbent JD Vance in '28. Unless Vance is extremely successful _and_ popular, which he probably won’t be (if only because he will have to clean up after Trump and then get his own thing going), Harris would have a very good chance IMO. She would also be totally prepared, unlike this year. If she wins the primary, she would also have proven herself in a new way and escaped that talking point against her (DEI hire, didn’t win a primary, etc.). ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/35 "2024-11-07T20:11:20Z")
This is a terrible idea in every way but one. I absolutely love making all the merch with 45/47 on it suddenly obsolete. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/36 "2024-11-07T20:19:42Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > simple way to sort of disrupt the order right now, while trolling Trump a bit, cheering up the disheartened base and making history. > [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Because in addition to being unworkable it is ultimately pointless and pretty dumb. It doesn’t really disrupt anything, and “trolling Trump a bit” will just equivalence that the Democrats are capable of just as much fuckery as the GOP in the eyes of the voting public What Stranger said. Also whether I’m part of the ‘base’ or not (probably de facto these days, even though I’m not a registered Dem), I’m certainly wouldn’t be cheered by this stunt. More mildly pissed off and eye-rollingly glum. Biden needs to keep plugging away doing useful grunt work until he’s out of office. ---
**Author:** ![3AxisCtrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/ecd19e/32.png) [@3AxisCtrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3AxisCtrl)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/37 "2024-11-07T20:21:21Z")
This would be seen by many as playing silly games with what’s supposed to be regarded as an important office. And it would no doubt be resented by lots of Dems smarting from the results of the election: “You selfish jackass - why didn’t you do this back when it might have done some good?” Biden would be sullying his reputation to pin a nearly meaningless gold star on someone toward whom he probably has (at best) mixed feelings just now. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/39 "2024-11-07T20:28:29Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Billy: No such thing exists! Mary: - shows just such a thing - Billy: I don’t know what point you are trying to make! This ain’t rocket science. Such a thing _do_ exist. If I’m saying that you can move any amount of material, given sufficient kinetic energy, and you’re saying that’s not true; I can bring out Einstein and Newton to do the math to show how much impact you need to impart into the Earth to rupture the planet into dust. They’ll be able to walk through every step and every physics test ever done, and prove their conclusion to be just so. It’s true. No one’s recommending to destroy the Earth, nor to destroy California. It’s just a proof. It’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/40 "2024-11-07T20:50:18Z")
I agree, and I had seen that suggested by some pundit somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/41 "2024-11-07T21:00:26Z")
I’m not going to get bogged down in this stupid side argument you’ve elected to pursue for reasons that still elude me. The reality that there is little that Biden can do to “disaster proof some stuff” (your words) that cannot be readily undone by the next guy except ship out some quick aid, attempt some late game foreign policy movies, and issue pardons for people that he thinks that Trump will try to go after for real or imagined crimes. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/42 "2024-11-07T21:03:20Z")
There are things that he could do that could not be easily discovered nor rolled back. I’m not going to propose any. My failure to do that doesn’t change the truthfulness of the statement. Now, saying things don’t make them true but I would argue that if you can find a way to de-oil the bread basket then I’m wrong. If you can’t think of that method then I’m probably right. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866/43 "2024-11-07T21:06:52Z")
Moderating: > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Billy: No such thing exists! > Mary: - shows just such a thing - > Billy: I don’t know what point you are trying to make! > > This ain’t rocket science. Such a thing _do_ exist. > > If I’m saying that you can move any amount of material, given sufficient kinetic energy, and you’re saying that’s not true; I can bring out Einstein and Newton to do the math to show how much impact you need to impart into the Earth to rupture the planet into dust. They’ll be able to walk through every step and every physics test ever done, and prove their conclusion to be just so. It’s true. > > No one’s recommending to destroy the Earth, nor to destroy California. It’s just a proof. It’s true. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > There are things that he could do that could not be easily discovered nor rolled back. I’m not going to propose any. My failure to do that doesn’t change the truthfulness of the statement. > > Now, saying things don’t make them true but I would argue that if you can find a way to de-oil the bread basket then I’m wrong. If you can’t think of that method then I’m probably right. Time to drop this hijack. You’re getting nowhere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-biden-should-resign/1009866.md?page=3)