# I think december has Jungle Fever **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 18, 2002, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749 "2002-06-18T21:06:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2002, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/41 "2002-06-22T14:17:51Z")
Well, they can all be contracted in Funky Town. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@Belowjob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2002, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/42 "2002-06-22T18:05:55Z")
Paging Dr. Funkenstein, paging Dr. Funkenstein. Uh, nurse, could you make his funk the P-funk. He wants to get funked up. ---
**Author:** ![celestina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/258eb7/32.png) [@celestina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/celestina)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2002, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/43 "2002-06-22T18:14:10Z")
Hmmm. Sometimes I capitalize black and sometimes I don’t. Yes, I know I should be more consistent, but I don’t really pay it much mind. I’m looking for other things in what folks say. ---
**Author:** ![Medea\_s\_Child](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Medea\_s\_Child](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Medea_s_Child)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2002, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/44 "2002-06-22T19:23:09Z")
This needs to be framed. Its just _sniffle_ so … beautiful! Stuffy, anytime after July 3, 2002 I will buy you a drink. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2002, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/45 "2002-06-23T04:24:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Skydive101 \* > \*\*I thought Jungle Fever was when a black guy fell for a white girl, ala the Spike Lee joint? I’m so confused… \*\* And here I was hopin for some naked Halle Berry action in here and all I get is some crap about some guy on a message board?! and yeah jungle fever is black/white lovin regardless of the sex. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2002, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/46 "2002-06-23T23:37:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monstro \* > I think **december** has a crush on his sister-in-law, who he’s always holding up as an example of a “good” black person. So yes, the man has jungle fever. \*\* Indeed I do. (Actually she’s my cousin’s wife.) You would love her, too, if you knew her. Everyone does. She is kind of a superwoman, but at the same time quite modest and terrifically nice, considerate, sweet, a concerned doctor, former Professor of English, author of several books, a great cook… There are few human beings who can match her qualities. If you want to think my feelings about her are bad in some way, that’s your concern. A recurring theme in my posts is to decry the common attack of calling some conservative a racist. Activist David Horowitz calls this practice “racial McCarthyism.” He claims it’s commonly done, particularly on campuses. Does racial McCarthyism really exist? I offer this thread as Exhibit A. ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2002, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/47 "2002-06-23T23:45:29Z")
Umm…december? You were the first one to blatantly call someone a racist in this thread, you dumb fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2002, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/48 "2002-06-23T23:46:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\* > A recurring theme in my posts is to decry the common attack of calling some conservative a racist. Activist David Horowitz calls this practice “racial McCarthyism.” He claims it’s commonly done, particularly on campuses. > > Does racial McCarthyism really exist? I offer this thread as Exhibit A. \*\* There was a thread in GD once a long time ago asking why blacks are overwhelmingly Democratic, even when a large portion of them hold views that could be considered conservative. I offer **december** as Reason A. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2002, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/49 "2002-06-23T23:49:07Z")
> [@](#): > > A recurring theme in my posts is to decry the common attack of calling some conservative a racist. Although it should probably be noted that it is most often you claiming that someone was called racist for being conservative rather than someone actually calling conservatives racist. I find it interesting that you speak so highly of Horowitz who long ago stopped being an “activist” to take up the game of “self-promoting entrepeneur.” Among his hundreds of statements over the last dozen or so years have been a few accurate observations (and college campuses do tend to have their share of PC jerks, just as corporations have their share of anti-PC jerks), but he has provided no substantive input to race discussion in America since the late 1980s, at best. For you to wander around crying “demonization by the Left” while deliberately ignoring “demonization by the Right” and crying “McCarthyism” at so many opportunities (while defending the absurd notion of the Great Communist Conspiracy in so many others) is sadly risible. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2002, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/50 "2002-06-24T01:48:56Z")
**december:** \*A recurring theme in my posts is to decry the common attack of calling some conservative a racist. \* Which sits rather oddly with another “recurring theme” of yours, namely calling some liberal a racist. IIRC, it was you who accused Democratic Senators of racism for opposing the Supreme Court nomination of Clarence Thomas, and you’re constantly complaining that it’s racist to be what you consider insufficiently critical of black leaders and the black population in assessing the problems of blacks in America. In other words, you seem to think that accusing someone of racism is a bad thing only when the “accusee” is conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2002, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/51 "2002-06-24T02:00:34Z")
**Kimstu** -in **december** ’s world, conservatives can do no wrong. Pinochet got a bad rap. Ashcroft is being demonized unfairly. Reagan was the best president we ever had. It’s sad, really. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@Belowjob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2002, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/52 "2002-06-25T06:01:58Z")
A black Reagan supporter. What’s next, Mormon members of NORML? ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2002, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/53 "2002-06-25T15:14:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kimstu \* > **december:** \*A recurring theme in my posts is to decry the common attack of calling some conservative a racist. \* > … In other words, you seem to think that accusing someone of racism is a bad thing only when the “accusee” is conservative. Fair comment, **Kimstu**. The coments you quote are my attempt to help liberals understand what it feels like to be “racist-bated.” But, those accusations aren’t taken seriously. E.g., note these comments **Belowjob** “A black Reagan supporter. What’s next, Mormon members of NORML?” **rjung**"‘Racist Democrat’? Is that anything like ‘Jews for Jesus’? There’s a widespread belief that liberals cannot be racists, while conservatives are likely to be racists. So, my effort to show that one could equally well point the other way is futile. It has no force. It’s as feeble as it would have been to call Richard Nixon a Communist Sympathizer. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@Belowjob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2002, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/54 "2002-06-27T02:54:28Z")
Oh come on now, December. I wouldn’t call Reagan conservative. Boobish, henpecked, and lazy. But not conservative. When he was running against him, Bush Sr. called Reagan’s plan “voodoo economics.” Bush was absolutely right. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2002, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/55 "2002-06-27T02:59:20Z")
But Reagan won us the Cold War! Single-handedly! Decades of tyranny ended by Reagan’s strong, “Mr. Gorbachev-TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2002, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/56 "2002-06-28T08:07:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > There’s a widespread belief that liberals cannot be racists, while conservatives are likely to be racists. It doesn’t help that the conservatives repeatedly prove this point… “Every lesbian spearchucker in this country is hoping I get defeated.” –Bob Dornan, R-Orange County, CA “You needed that job and you were the best qualified. But they had to give it to a minority because of a racial quota.” –Jesse Helms’ campaign commercial, 1990 “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.” –Rush Limbaugh, to black caller “…every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish.” –Richard Nixon “Whatcha listenin’ to? Some rap?” –George W. Bush to Terry Neal, black reporter for the _Washington Post_ ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2002, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/57 "2002-06-28T15:10:16Z")
Actually, **rjung** , Jews and lesbians are not races. More to the point, it’s noteworthy that you equate alleged non-PC statements with racism, rather than look at how people behave. I heard Senator Byrd use the term “White Nigger” on TV last year. Three witnesses (all Democrats) said they heard Hillary call someone a “Fucking Jew Bastard.” I don’t like that kind of talk, but I don’t think Hillary is anti-Semitic, because her actions aren’t ant-semitic. Frankly I’m not even sure whether liberals make fewer non-PC statements than conservatives do. It’s more that Conservaitves get dinged for them ad infinitem, but liberals don’t. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2002, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/58 "2002-06-28T15:31:27Z")
> [@](#): > > “White Nigger” What context was it used in December? For example, it is used by Elvis Costello in his song “Oliver’s army” > [@](#): > > There was a checkpoint charlie > He didn’t crack a smile > But it’s no laughing party > When you’ve been on the murder mile > Only takes one itchy trigger > One more widow, one less white nigger Is Costello being racist? No. Is Senator Byrd being racist? I couldn’t tell you because you have failed to supply a full quote or context. Mirabile Dictu. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2002, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/59 "2002-06-28T17:57:06Z")
Well, Byrd isn’t exactly known for being anti-racist…so he’s got something there. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2002, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749/60 "2002-06-28T18:17:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*Is Senator Byrd being racist? I couldn’t tell you because you have failed to supply a full quote or context. \*\* I am not arguing that he is. I am pointing out that Demcrats also have said things which sound very bad, but they weren’t called racists. Here’s a [link](http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/story1c030701.html). Note that the columnist says > [@](#): > > Some explanations: > \ > 3. He’s a Democrat, and hence incapable of the sort of hate the left believes seethes in the heart of your average Republican. Let’s imagine if Jesse Helms had said this. The left thinks Helms is some Lovecraftian embodiment of evil, shrouded in darkness, bathed in an oily sheen of hate. They just know he uses the word when he’s thinking to himself. If Helms had dropped the N word on TV, it would be front page news. Here’s another [link](http://www.time.com/time/columnist/morrow/article/0,9565,102113,00.html): > [@](#): > > I suppose that Senator Byrd’s use of the “white n-----/ black n------” formula might be excused as an indiscretion of senility. (On the other hand, I’d like to hear the commentary if, say, the current United States attorney general had delivered himself of this charming conceit during his confirmation hearings. Borked? He would have been lynched.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-december-has-jungle-fever/114749.md?page=4)