# I Think DrChuckie Needs His Very Own Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2003, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204 "2003-03-21T20:40:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/161 "2003-03-24T01:19:15Z")
**Polycarp** I forgot that I meant to comment on your comment about me in an earlier post of yours. I’m referrring to your statement about me tending to “jump in with a ‘me too’” type of attitude when posting sometimes. I see nothing wrong with this. I can’t always get across well what I’m trying to say so if I see someone else saying something I agree with, what’s wrong with my adding my agreement? Other people do the same. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/162 "2003-03-24T02:03:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > Mr. **iampunha** , I haven’t been here because I’ve been busy at other boards. I’ve been here to read some but haven’t posted. I’m not obligated to post every day or every week or at all if I don’t want to. If I’m here and see something I want to reply to, I will. If I don’t, I won’t. This isn’t the only board on the net, you know. Given the tone the thread in GD where you had last posted (remember that one? the one about gay teens that kept getting hijacked?) took, I thought perhaps you were stepping out of the kitchen, so to speak. However, I can’t help but be amused that _you_ are telling _me_ that this isn’t the only board on the net given the number of times I’ve said _that exact thing_ on this board, and given the countless references we’ve had to, among others (in no particular order): Internet Infidels Round Table stormfront LBMB TMF OSS Pizza Parlor FFF Unaboard Snopes Darwin Awards SAAN Customerssuck /. Game/gaming sites (such as a civ3 board and a fantasy baseball board.) ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/163 "2003-03-24T02:06:51Z")
**His** , absolutely there’s nothing wrong with registering agreement with what someone else said; I’ve done it myself any number of times. What I was saying was that (a) you were contributing thoughtful stuff to quite a number of PP discussions and (b) unfortunately, instead of doing this, you would sometimes simply state agreement with somebody else, effectively adding little or nothing to the discussion except an endorsement of another person’s perspective. (In short, it was intended as a compliment on your expressing yourself over on PP, tempered with a regret that sometimes you don’t add anything substantive. But it was in no way intended as criticism!) > [@](#): > > I will say that although I agree with DrChuckie’s stance on homosexuality, he could perhaps find a way to soften how he shares that stance. That can be difficult to do. Yes, I can imagine how finding a tactful and soft-spoken way to say “You’re engaged in abominable acts and out to corrupt the moral fiber of American youth” could be a bit tricky! :rolleyes: Seriously, you’re welcome to hold any opinion about gay sex that you want to, and about my stance as a Christian that you want to. But I was under the impression that you were interested in loving the sinner while hating the sin, insofar as that’s a possible tightrope to walk. The website **Dr Chuckie** is apparently webmaster of is full of lies about gay people and their organizations. Do not take my word for this, or discount it – read some of what that website says, then go to the PFLAG and GLSEN and HRC websites and read what they say. Do a Google search for presumably objective articles that don’t just paraphrase a press release from one side or the other. Prove to yourself that he’s breaking the Third and Ninth Commandments. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/164 "2003-03-24T02:19:14Z")
You’re asking **His4Ever** to Think4Herself? That’s pretty rich, Poly. The poor woman is so brainwashed that her mind smells like a summer breeze. She’s no more capable of accepting a new concept than I am of hopping over the Washington Monument, and less likely to try. It’s nice that you think that everyone’s redeemable, but I’ve come to the conclusion that there are some people that can’t actually change. All you can do is make sure that when they spout their insane drivel, that you respond with facts and reason, so that another poor soul won’t catch their bizarre brand of insanity. Fortunately, there are enough reasonable, compassionate people on the planet who are intent on disseminating facts about gay people, as opposed to hysterical propagandistic lies, that her generation will be the last to think that this sort of attitude is in any way acceptable. There will be a few die hards, who will be treated with the kind of scorn and disgust that the KKK and the neo-nazis arouse today, but society will move past their little roadblock long since. And **H4E** … “dearie”? I’m laughing myself into convulsions here. Could you be _any_ more like the creepy witch from the Bugs Bunny cartoons? Have a nice obsolescence, you hateful harridan. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/165 "2003-03-24T02:19:25Z")
**Poly** , I’ve told her the same thing about Jack Chick in regards to Catholicism-she STILL won’t listen. It’s SAD. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Shaolinrabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Shaolinrabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shaolinrabbit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/166 "2003-03-24T02:24:18Z")
**H4E** and **DrC** , what do we say to Gay _Christians_? How do we quantify their devotion to God in relation to their homosexuality? Which takes precedence? I went to **DrChuckie** ’s site and saw horrible things. His treatment of Gay Christians, his treatment of Gay Ministers. _Ministers_! They believe and seek the truth of Christ as the rest of us do, and he rejects them. How can this be _love_? How can any of this be seen as love? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/167 "2003-03-24T04:21:34Z")
Poly: I see zero evidence from H4E that she’s thoughtful or concerned with others. Her comment to me about both me and my church are the best proof that (a) she doesn’t think or research and (b) she’s out to condemn other people. Her comment about this board not being a curative and also not being the only board on the net proves something else: Guin (or maybe Dianne) was right when she described H4E’s motives. She wants to be seen as a martyr. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/168 "2003-03-24T06:46:14Z")
You know, I thought my ears were burning… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/169 "2003-03-24T07:55:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > I see nothing wrong with this [habit of “me too” posting]. I can’t always get across well what I’m trying to say so if I see someone else saying something I agree with, what’s wrong with my adding my agreement? Other people do the same. (long post ahead. Get some coffee) Okay. As we’ve established here, there, and everywhere(;)), you have issues with expressing yourself well. I can’t and won’t speak for anyone else here, but I know I’ve personally made the offer to you previous to now to have a look at what you’re saying and suggest ways of making it more in tune with what you believe, since you’ve indicated here and elsewhere that there can be a difference between **His4everthought** and **His4everpost**. And one thing that continues to piss me off, and probably anyone else who’s made a sort of offer along these lines, is that you CONTINUE to say “I’m not very good at this” and CONTINUE to post anyway instead of saying “Hey, person who volunteered to help me, could you do so?” Do you _enjoy_ people flaying you for your ill-worded, ill-founded opinions? Do you _like_ playing the role of the “misunderstood” Christian? When you post in a thread and you get that sinking feeling in your throat, that “oh, man … now someone’s going to come in and flame me” feeling … do you _like_ that? If you do, by all means keep on making **Polycarp, Tris, Jodi, tomndebb, RTFirefly, et al.**'s jobs harder. Really. I’m sure they love, after the collective decades of work they’ve done drawing people who were so spurned by capital H (Hypocrite) Christians back into God’s arms … heep on pushing them back out under the ruse that “I’m just spreading God’s Truth”. You’re not. We keep on saying you’re not. I’ve told you more times than I care to count that you’re doing exactly the opposite, and I know for a bloody fact I’m not the only one. **You are pushing people away from God**. Does seeing it in bold, all alone by itself and unavoidable make it easier to understand? This thing you call love? I call it being so anal about random rules that you miss the ENTIRE POINT OF CHRISTIANITY! LOVE It isn’t “Oh, you shouldn’t have sex with him because you’re a guy too” It isn’t “Your lifestyle is going to land you in Hell” It is “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul … and love your neighbor as yourself.” Maybe I’ve (along with Poly et al.) been reading the abridged version all these years … you know, the one that says “but not them fucking faggots. They’re going to burn for their sodomite lifestyles.” * * * ::takes a break for a few seconds to calm himself down:: I hope you’ll forgive me for my anger, but it seems like this is the hundredth time I’ve posted this and I have yet to see more than random, cursory improvement. * * * There is nothing explicity wrong with lots of “me too” posts. However, when, for example, you’re asked a question and you say “I don’t know”, and then someone comes along and offers an explanation and you say “thanks, you put it better than I could”, that’s … well, at best it’s a little less than the truth. At worst it’s a **mortal sin** , because you’ve just knowingly lied to someone, and it took long enough to write that you had time to reflect upon what you did. If you were "me too"ing in, say, MPSIMS about your favorite color, or your favorite movie, or who got snubbed in the NCAA basketball selection process, that’d be fine. Well, it’d be a lot less annoying than your current practice. Saying “me too” in a religious discussion (especially given the topic) is like saying “me too” in a philosophy debate or a political discussion … especially when you yourself have said that you’re not sure what you believe and you don’t always know why and you can’t support your assertions … is not always a wise thing. And when the topic is something as intensely personal (and sometimes painful) as sexuality, and you just toss in a “me too” to an already inflammatory and unsupported position, it speaks to a lack of respect for everyone else in the discussion. I don’t recall ever saying “me too” in a discussion like that (but that’s more because it was never applicable;)). If you’re going to bother to enter one, you really owe it to everyone involved to be as eloquent and clear as you can. If nothing else it saves the confusion of “do you really think that, or did the thought-to-post process hit a bump in the road?” You have trouble with that. So you’ve said. So ask for help. I might not (;)) be your favorite person, but I’d be perfectly willing to help you flesh out your ideas/beliefs. I won’t even hit you that hard if you start throwing scripture at me;) But hey, don’t take my word for it. Think for yourself. That means not “ask your pastor what that means”, not “ask your husband, because as a man he knows more”, not “find a bible verse that justifies your actions, no matter how convoluted you have to read it for it to apply”, not “decide you just can’t figure it out and go back to condemning people without God’s permission”. That means use the brain God gave a peanut and decide whether you want to be a “martyr” or a servant of God. You’re not serving him right now. Lastly, a thought, and one with which I know you’ve been confronted: How loving would you consider it if someone knew lots of things about you, or very few, and simply refused to ignore/get past the fact that you’ve been divorced? If that was the only thing they could focus on? If that _one_ thing, to them, was as bad as being a rapist or a con man or a pedophile, etc.? Because that’s pretty well what you’ve put forth in the (not too distant) past. And it hurts. And it’s not loving. It’s not God’s love, it’s your opinion. It’s not helpful, it’s painful. And as long as you continue on this anti-gay, “my personal religious system is the only one that is valid, and I simply won’t accept anything else” path, the only love you’ll be spreading is love of Satan, because you’re doing his work, not God’s. ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/170 "2003-03-24T08:42:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > \*\*I just want to say that I don’t want to live in a world without sodomy—and if Heaven is even half as great as you try to make it out to be, Sodomy would be a daily thing. \*\* Please lock me away And don’t allow the gays Here inside Where I hide In my horniness. I don’t care what they say, I won’t stay In a world without sodomy! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/171 "2003-03-24T09:26:00Z")
If gay people aren’t in heaven, how fabulous can it be? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/172 "2003-03-24T13:11:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Polycarp \* > \*\* > > Seriously, you’re welcome to hold any opinion about gay sex that you want to, and about my stance as a Christian that you want to. But I was under the impression that you were interested in loving the sinner while hating the sin, insofar as that’s a possible tightrope to walk. The website **Dr Chuckie** is apparently webmaster of is full of lies about gay people and their organizations. Do not take my word for this, or discount it – read some of what that website says, then go to the PFLAG and GLSEN and HRC websites and read what they say. Do a Google search for presumably objective articles that don’t just paraphrase a press release from one side or the other. Prove to yourself that he’s breaking the Third and Ninth Commandments. \*\* When I have more time, I will go and check out further the website of **DrChuckie**. Perhaps I will find it is harsher than it should be. If I find I agree with it, I certainly won’t come and tell you. My stance on this issue will never be the same as you and those on this board. They may call me hateful or whatever name they deem feasable in their eyes. God has revealed no other truth to me on this subject than what I’ve already seen in His word. However, I do appreciate you not getting involved in the name calling. You know, from being at the PP board, that I’m not the only person who holds my view. I wonder, in the long, run, who is really being hateful here? (not you, **Polycarp.** ) As usual, any website I post of course supporting my view isn’t legitimate but anything all of you post is to be taken for truth on the whole issue, always. Sorry, don’t see it that way. Bye for now. In Christ, His4ever ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/173 "2003-03-24T13:53:28Z")
Self-crucifixions still don’t count as actual martyrdom, right? Just checking. **His4ever** has a tendency to stick those nails in her mouth to hold while she climbs at just about any provocation. Personally, except for the small contingent that insists on trying to pass legislation to maintain second-class citizenship for gays and lesbians, I couldn’t possibly care less what people who believe in a god I wouldn’t worship even if I did believe in its existence think about my affectional orientation. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/174 "2003-03-24T13:55:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\* **You are pushing people away from God**. > > Does seeing it in bold, all alone by itself and unavoidable make it easier to understand? This thing you call love? I call it being so anal about random rules that you miss the ENTIRE POINT OF CHRISTIANITY! > > LOVE > > It isn’t “Oh, you shouldn’t have sex with him because you’re a guy too” > > It isn’t “Your lifestyle is going to land you in Hell” > > It is “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul … and love your neighbor as yourself.” > > Maybe I’ve (along with Poly et al.) been reading the abridged version all these years … you know, the one that says “but not them fucking faggots. They’re going to burn for their sodomite lifestyles.”\*\* :Snip: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\* And it’s not loving. It’s not God’s love, it’s your opinion. It’s not helpful, it’s painful. > > And as long as you continue on this anti-gay, “my personal religious system is the only one that is valid, and I simply won’t accept anything else” path, the only love you’ll be spreading is love of Satan, because you’re doing his work, not God’s. \*\* \*\* iampunha\*\*-Good post! I thought the above was especially important and deserved a second look. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/175 "2003-03-24T14:13:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*(long post ahead. Get some coffee) > > Okay. As we’ve established here, there, and everywhere(;)), you have issues with expressing yourself well. I can’t and won’t speak for anyone else here, but I know I’ve personally made the offer to you previous to now to have a look at what you’re saying and suggest ways of making it more in tune with what you believe, since you’ve indicated here and elsewhere that there can be a difference between **His4everthought** and **His4everpost**. > > And one thing that continues to piss me off, and probably anyone else who’s made a sort of offer along these lines, is that you CONTINUE to say “I’m not very good at this” and CONTINUE to post anyway instead of saying “Hey, person who volunteered to help me, could you do so?” Do you _enjoy_ people flaying you for your ill-worded, ill-founded opinions? Do you _like_ playing the role of the “misunderstood” Christian? When you post in a thread and you get that sinking feeling in your throat, that “oh, man … now someone’s going to come in and flame me” feeling … do you _like_ that? > > If you do, by all means keep on making **Polycarp, Tris, Jodi, tomndebb, RTFirefly, et al.**'s jobs harder. Really. I’m sure they love, after the collective decades of work they’ve done drawing people who were so spurned by capital H (Hypocrite) Christians back into God’s arms … heep on pushing them back out under the ruse that “I’m just spreading God’s Truth”. > > You’re not. We keep on saying you’re not. I’ve told you more times than I care to count that you’re doing exactly the opposite, and I know for a bloody fact I’m not the only one. > > **You are pushing people away from God**. > > Does seeing it in bold, all alone by itself and unavoidable make it easier to understand? This thing you call love? I call it being so anal about random rules that you miss the ENTIRE POINT OF CHRISTIANITY! > > LOVE > > It isn’t “Oh, you shouldn’t have sex with him because you’re a guy too” > > It isn’t “Your lifestyle is going to land you in Hell” > > It is “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul … and love your neighbor as yourself.” > > Maybe I’ve (along with Poly et al.) been reading the abridged version all these years … you know, the one that says “but not them fucking faggots. They’re going to burn for their sodomite lifestyles.” > > * * * > > ::takes a break for a few seconds to calm himself down:: > > I hope you’ll forgive me for my anger, but it seems like this is the hundredth time I’ve posted this and I have yet to see more than random, cursory improvement. > > * * * > > There is nothing explicity wrong with lots of “me too” posts. However, when, for example, you’re asked a question and you say “I don’t know”, and then someone comes along and offers an explanation and you say “thanks, you put it better than I could”, that’s … well, at best it’s a little less than the truth. At worst it’s a **mortal sin** , because you’ve just knowingly lied to someone, and it took long enough to write that you had time to reflect upon what you did. > > If you were "me too"ing in, say, MPSIMS about your favorite color, or your favorite movie, or who got snubbed in the NCAA basketball selection process, that’d be fine. Well, it’d be a lot less annoying than your current practice. > > Saying “me too” in a religious discussion (especially given the topic) is like saying “me too” in a philosophy debate or a political discussion … especially when you yourself have said that you’re not sure what you believe and you don’t always know why and you can’t support your assertions … is not always a wise thing. And when the topic is something as intensely personal (and sometimes painful) as sexuality, and you just toss in a “me too” to an already inflammatory and unsupported position, it speaks to a lack of respect for everyone else in the discussion. I don’t recall ever saying “me too” in a discussion like that (but that’s more because it was never applicable;)). If you’re going to bother to enter one, you really owe it to everyone involved to be as eloquent and clear as you can. If nothing else it saves the confusion of “do you really think that, or did the thought-to-post process hit a bump in the road?” > > You have trouble with that. So you’ve said. So ask for help. I might not (;)) be your favorite person, but I’d be perfectly willing to help you flesh out your ideas/beliefs. I won’t even hit you that hard if you start throwing scripture at me;) > > But hey, don’t take my word for it. Think for yourself. That means not “ask your pastor what that means”, not “ask your husband, because as a man he knows more”, not “find a bible verse that justifies your actions, no matter how convoluted you have to read it for it to apply”, not “decide you just can’t figure it out and go back to condemning people without God’s permission”. That means use the brain God gave a peanut and decide whether you want to be a “martyr” or a servant of God. You’re not serving him right now. > > Lastly, a thought, and one with which I know you’ve been confronted: > > How loving would you consider it if someone knew lots of things about you, or very few, and simply refused to ignore/get past the fact that you’ve been divorced? If that was the only thing they could focus on? If that _one_ thing, to them, was as bad as being a rapist or a con man or a pedophile, etc.? Because that’s pretty well what you’ve put forth in the (not too distant) past. And it hurts. > > And it’s not loving. It’s not God’s love, it’s your opinion. It’s not helpful, it’s painful. > > And as long as you continue on this anti-gay, “my personal religious system is the only one that is valid, and I simply won’t accept anything else” path, the only love you’ll be spreading is love of Satan, because you’re doing his work, not God’s. \*\* me too 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/176 "2003-03-24T14:47:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*When I have more time, I will go and check out further the website of **DrChuckie**. Perhaps I will find it is harsher than it should be. \*\* Sometimes it’s hard to tell whether someone is deliberately misinterpreting someone else, unintentionally misinterpreting them, or just not expressing themselves clearly. **Polycarp** wasn’t asking you whether you found the Web site _harsher than it should be_, he was asking you to evaluate whether it _bears false witness against its neighbors_ and _takes the name of the Lord in vain_. The first one isn’t a value judgement: either the site is full of slanderous lies, or it isn’t. I’m curious as to your evaluation of this purely factual issue: looking at the site, do you believe that its authors bear false witness against their neighbors? Please don’t pretend that I’m asking you whether the site is sufficiently cuddly and friendly. That ain’t the question. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/177 "2003-03-24T14:52:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > **…My stance on this issue will never be the same as you and those on this board… As usual, any website I post of course supporting my view isn’t legitimate but anything all of you post is to be taken for truth on the whole issue, always. Sorry, don’t see it that way. Bye for now.** Do you honestly see no qualitative difference between the way that you hold/present your own position and the way that others hold/present theirs?. An honest observation - I really am **not** trying to be nasty - You don’t appear to be prepared to consider _anything_ with an open mind; the same cannot be said for at least _some_ of those who argue opposing views to you. Is that a fair comment? Please say so if you feel that I am doing you a great injustice. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/178 "2003-03-24T15:45:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mangetout \* > \*\*Do you honestly see no qualitative difference between the way that you hold/present your own position and the way that others hold/present theirs?. > > An honest observation - I really am **not** trying to be nasty - You don’t appear to be prepared to consider _anything_ with an open mind; the same cannot be said for at least _some_ of those who argue opposing views to you. > > Is that a fair comment? Please say so if you feel that I am doing you a great injustice. \*\* What is it exactly I’m supposed to have an open mind about? You’re forgetting that I’m a conservative Christian who believes the Bible is the word of God. So you’re correct and not doing me an injustice in that I don’t have an open mind about homosexuality and many other things. As I said God hasn’t shown me the truth you believe you have about it. I read the passages over and over and can still come to no other conclusion. If you choose to consider me to be close minded as a result, that’s your privilege. I’m afraid **Polycarp’s** lengthy diatribes about it and his explanations that explain these scriptures away don’t move me, as much as I may like him. I know you’ll say “but other Christians believe and read the same scriptures and come to a different conclusion about it.” Well, that’s them. I have to go by what I see when I read it and what the Spirit of the Lord reveals to me. As has been said, this is a never ending debate. As I stated on the PP board, everyone should agree to drop the subject for 6 months at least. There’s lots of other topics. And of course, you’re going to say, “no one invited you in to this thread, you didn’t have to come,etc.” That’s true, but I wanted to and did. In Christ, His4ever ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/179 "2003-03-24T15:52:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\* And of course, you’re going to say, “no one invited you in to this thread, you didn’t have to come,etc.” That’s true, but I wanted to and did. > > \*\* for what reason? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204/180 "2003-03-24T15:55:17Z")
Seems we’ve been here before, but never _quite_ managed to determine how and why you are able to be so sure that you are right, but hang on… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*I have to go by what I see when I read it and what the Spirit of the Lord reveals to me. \*\*Could you expand on that a little? Exactly how does this work? Are you sure that it is God speaking to you? How sure? Exactly what does he say and how? > [@](#): > > **And of course, you’re going to say, "no one invited you in to this thread, you didn’t have to come,etc."** Who, me? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-drchuckie-needs-his-very-own-thread/163204.md?page=10)