# I Think I Know Why God Doesn't Heal Amputees **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 8, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193 "2012-02-08T15:22:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/221 "2012-02-09T00:40:24Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > BTW, where is your concrete evidence that there is no life after death? The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim. You claim there is life after death; it is up to you to prove it exists. I don’t have to prove anything. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/222 "2012-02-09T00:43:38Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Ah. And your answer to being called a whiner is to whine some more ? Bold move, man. Bold move. It’s a personal insult and violation of board rules. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/223 "2012-02-09T00:46:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim. You claim there is life after death; it is up to you to prove it exists. I don’t have to prove anything. So we should just accept your beliefs by default? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/224 "2012-02-09T00:47:12Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > So we should just accept your beliefs by default? I have no beliefs about life after death. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/225 "2012-02-09T00:47:18Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > And yet atheists refuse to explain what “evidence” will satisfy them. Answer: nothing will. I did precisely that in post 74. Again, i’m an atheist. Would it be possible for you to address my point on your Leviticus cite? I assumed when you asked me to repeat what it was, it was because you were intending to respond to it. I’ll also repeat again, sincerely, that I am an atheist who has deliberately and with an open heart and mind sought God. Is there anything that I could say to you that would convince you that I truly mean what I say there? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/226 "2012-02-09T00:47:26Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Again, this is how you immediately discount ANY medical miracle. Oh, It’s just random chance. I suspect Mr. Moore’s doctor would disagree especially since he personally called it a miracle. Why didn’t he discount it if this was just normal human behavior? Because it’s the most unlikely thing he’s ever seen? This thread itself tells the answer. God doesn’t heal severed limbs. He doesn’t regrow eyes. He doesn’t replace burned skin. He doesn’t cure beheadings. He doesn’t allow a person’s heart to be ripped out and for them to survive until a transplant is available. Those would be miracles. Because they are things that don’t happen. People do have cancer stop randomly. They make it through strokes with minimal damage. They sometimes get better from a chronic condition. Miracles need to be miraculous. > [@](#): > > How convenient that atheists have such broad escape routes in any Christian argument. It would be harder if Christian arguments weren’t so universally terrible. > [@](#): > > BTW, where is your concrete evidence that there is no life after death? Please proof this to me so I can let go of this mental delusion I apparently share with millions of other people whose lives have been transformed by the power of Jesus Christ! I don’t know for a fact if there is no life after death. But it’s almost certain. You are your brain. Your brain creates your consciousness. That is to say, you don’t have a soul. This is observable, when you take drugs, it alters your consciousness. If your consciousness were an energy field, drugs wouldn’t modify it. In addition to chemical changes, physical changes can permanently alter your consciousness. Damage to your brain can make you into a liar, can make you violent, can remove the concept of vision from you. Not just the ability to see, but the visual components from your memories. You are your brain. And you are created by the functioning of your brain. When your brain is damaged, you become damaged. You lose pieces of you. Why would you think that when you die, and your brain isn’t just damaged, but destroyed, that your consciousness would survive? Unlikely. And you, as the person making the claim of life after death, are the one with the burden of evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/227 "2012-02-09T00:56:25Z")
ETA: [QUOTE=Geepers] It’s a personal insult and violation of board rules. [/QUOTE] No, it wasn’t. It was an observation based on the nature of your handling of counter-arguments and continued posting behaviour ITT. It wasn’t even meant in a really mean spirited way, just an impatient enjoinder to modify your behaviour, or at least examine it and wonder what you’re trying to achieve here. But do report me, see how that goes for you. Or would you prefer to wrap yourself in the certitude that it was a personal attack but not risk testing it by asking a mod ? Either way’s fine by me. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/228 "2012-02-09T00:59:51Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Not at all. My frustration meter is pretty high though. Why do you ask for evidence that you plan on rejecting anyways? I don’t plan on rejecting it. But I’m fairly confident you don’t have any evidence. Because you are exactly like the other five hundred theists who thought they had evidence. They never do. > [@](#): > > Becoming an atheist would be stepping into the darkness giving Satan ultimate victory. Satan doesn’t exist. He’s an imaginary character that bronze-age primitives living in a desert made up. > [@](#): > > It’s no surprise that the darkness doesn’t respond nicely when someone presents the light of Jesus Christ. Jesus has no light. If he existed, he was just a dude some guys nailed to a tree. Before you get upset, both those things I just said, about Jesus and Satan, have as much evidence as your beliefs. But my comments violate no observed physical law. So why do you believe in your supernatural story when mine is much more plausible? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/229 "2012-02-09T01:06:28Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I don’t plan on rejecting it. But I’m fairly confident you don’t have any evidence. Because you are exactly like the other five hundred theists who thought they had evidence. They never do. > > Satan doesn’t exist. He’s an imaginary character that bronze-age primitives living in a desert made up. > > Jesus has no light. If he existed, he was just a dude some guys nailed to a tree. > > Before you get upset, both those things I just said, about Jesus and Satan, have as much evidence as your beliefs. But my comments violate no observed physical law. So why do you believe in your supernatural story when mine is much more plausible? Have you ever agreed with one theist? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/230 "2012-02-09T01:11:24Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Have you ever agreed with one theist? Have you ever answered a question? I agree with a lot of theists. I think murder is bad. I think stealing is bad. I think casual sex is bad (from my point of view, I don’t begrudge it of others), I think the golden rule is a good idea. But none of things are ideas that require religion. Humans understand not to murder and steal because we’re a social animal that lived in family groups. Now do I think the world would be better without religion? Certainly. Some people might be worse off, but in total, I think the world would be better. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/231 "2012-02-09T01:12:53Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > ETA: > > No, it wasn’t. It was an observation based on the nature of your handling of counter-arguments and continued posting behaviour ITT. It wasn’t even meant in a really mean spirited way, just an impatient enjoinder to modify your behaviour, or at least examine it and wonder what you’re trying to achieve here. > > But do report me, see how that goes for you. > Or would you prefer to wrap yourself in the certitude that it was a personal attack but not risk testing it by asking a mod ? Either way’s fine by me. Well the moderator is obviously atheist so I wouldn’t expect any action. I just want a civilized debate. Sadly, it’s impossible with atheists. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/232 "2012-02-09T01:15:46Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > I just want a civilized debate. When were you planning to start? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/233 "2012-02-09T01:15:58Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Have you ever answered a question? > > I agree with a lot of theists. I think murder is bad. I think stealing is bad. I think casual sex is bad (from my point of view, I don’t begrudge it of others), I think the golden rule is a good idea. > > But none of things are ideas that require religion. Humans understand not to murder and steal because we’re a social animal that lived in family groups. > Now do I think the world would be better without religion? Certainly. Some people might be worse off, but in total, I think the world would be better. You want an atheist world? See how wonderful life is in China then. at the very least there would be constant bickering over laws of morality. Who is to say your idea of morality is more right than another person? Suicide rate would go through the roof too. Funny, I’ve never heard of a dog commiting suicide. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/234 "2012-02-09T01:17:07Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Well the moderator is obviously atheist so I wouldn’t expect any action. I just want a civilized debate. Sadly, it’s impossible with atheists. I haven’t attacked you. And I’ve answered your questions while you evade mine. Not that I agree that you’ve been attacked. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/235 "2012-02-09T01:17:53Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > When were you planning to start? When are you? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/236 "2012-02-09T01:19:14Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I haven’t attacked you. And I’ve answered your questions while you evade mine. > > Not that I agree that you’ve been attacked. You explained nothing and answered nothing. Hollow responses. Waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/237 "2012-02-09T01:19:53Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Suicide rate would go through the roof too. Funny, I’ve never heard of a dog commiting suicide. This is a very funny thread. I am an atheist. I have not committed suicide. My dog is a theist. He has not, either. What does that prove? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/238 "2012-02-09T01:21:03Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > When are you? You started this hot mess. Once again, the burden is on you. You don’t seem to understand what evidence is, or what constitutes debate. Up until now, you have been witnessing. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/239 "2012-02-09T01:22:22Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > You explained nothing and answered nothing. Hollow responses. Waste of time. Why are you here? You think we are just a bunch of close-mined atheists that will automatically dismiss any evidence you might bring forward, and it seems that you have believed this from the beginning, so why are you here? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/240 "2012-02-09T01:22:24Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Well the moderator is obviously atheist so I wouldn’t expect any action. I just want a civilized debate. Sadly, it’s impossible with atheists. What you want isn’t a debate. I’m not sure what it is, but it’s not a debate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193.md?page=13)