# I Think I Know Why God Doesn't Heal Amputees **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 8, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193 "2012-02-08T15:22:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/241 "2012-02-09T01:23:44Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > You want an atheist world? See how wonderful life is in China then. at the very least there would be constant bickering over laws of morality. Who is to say your idea of morality is more right than another person? Abrahamic Morality is terrible. It’s pro slavery, pro misogyny, pro murdering people for working on the weekend, anti-homosexual, anti-divorce, anti-other religions. The morality laid out in the bible is wretched. And the nice, pleasant world we live in today is here \*because \*we’ve turned our back on the stupidity of biblical morality. As for China, I’d rather not live there because I’m not a communist. How about Scandinavia? They’re mostly atheist and have a much happier culture than we do. > [@](#): > > Suicide rate would go through the roof too. Funny, I’ve never heard of a dog commiting suicide. You have no evidence for your assertion that an atheist society is necessarily full of suicides. Dogs don’t commit suicide because they can’t think. Just like Dogs don’t paint or read newspapers. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/242 "2012-02-09T01:25:36Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Will someone please explain the difference between GEEPERS’ posts and those of a troll? This isn’t appropriate for GD. You can’t accuse someone of trolling in this forum, and even as a rhetorical question, this is identical to that kind of accusation. The subject of this thread has already meandered a lot, and if it’s going to turn into nothing but a series of complaints about how unreasonable the other side is (Christians or atheists) or accusations that people are whining, I will close it soon. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/243 "2012-02-09T01:28:31Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > You explained nothing and answered nothing. Hollow responses. Waste of time. That isn’t a nice response. I’ve answered your questions and you have run away from mine. Think hard. The reason you evade and change the subject constantly is because you don’t have a good answer. You say you want a debate, so debate. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/244 "2012-02-09T01:33:14Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > The reality that God doesn’t heal amputees is a bit problamatic for Christians. If you believe in medical miracles, why are the healings always internal, away from the naked eye? It would be a lot more amazing if an external healing took place such as a missing limb regrowing, maybe to the point that it would convince hardcore atheists that God is real. > > But there is still the reality that amputees are never ever healed no matter how much prayer. I believe I know why, but it is from a spiritual perspective so I’m sure this will be auto-rejected by atheists. > > To get the answer, you must go back to the fall of man. Man was first created as a perfect eternal being. Our bodies were designed to be vegetarian, and free of any sickness. However, after the fall, drastatic changes took place. Sin was introduced into the human body. Sin is a force that is opposite of God. God is peace, love and life. Sin is death, fear, and pain. Sin changed our physical makeup. Cellular breakdown began in the human body. Sin is the reason our bodies crave harmful things. We became meat eaters as well. like an infection, the sin nature was passed to every human being ever born corrupting our physical body. > So if you are asking God to heal an amputee, he are asking him to create out of thin air a part of flesh that is sin corrupted. God can not exist with sin so this just isn’t possible with His nature. I think we are given one body, one life to live on this earth ,and if we ruin that body by accident or our own actions, there is no replacement. > But this bleeds into a bigger question of mine. Does God actually design and create our physical bodies, or did He just create the initial mechanism for childbirth and set things in motion? I lean more towards the latter because of things like birth defects. I can’t imagine God purposely designing a human body to suffer from disabilities. But you can imagine a god who purposely designed us as “perfect eternal beings” that were somehow flawed enough to do something that caused a downfall? Wouldn’t the downfall of man be your God’s fault, for not designing people who wouldn’t do the thing he told them not to do? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/245 "2012-02-09T01:34:08Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > You called me a whiner. I take that as a personal insult. Actually, he did not call you a whiner. In the first post to which you object, he indicated that you whined. That is an observation about your actions, not a remark about your personal character. In the second post in which he used the word, he used the same formula. Attacking the argument, not the poster, is our policy. Had you actually felt that it was an insult, you would have been better to report it. We MODs are not hanging on every word of every poster and I had not seen this exchange or the earlier one until a few minutes ago. **Kobal2** , in the interest of not derailing this thread further, please stop characterizing **GEEPERS** ’s posts as whining. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/246 "2012-02-09T01:34:23Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Tell me what kind of evidence you are looking for. WHat would convince you? Can you do that at least?? Do you have anything from geneticists to back up your comments about genes, or immunologists, perhaps? Post whatever you have and we’ll go from there. > [@](#): > > The comment about gene degradation is certainly supported in Christian apologetics, in particular to the question about who did Cain marry. If you need references, I can post them. I don’t. I’ll take your word for it that it’s not your theory. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/247 "2012-02-09T01:35:13Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Will someone please explain the difference between GEEPERS’ posts and those of a troll? Do not accuse other posters of trolling, even obliquely, outside The BBQ Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/248 "2012-02-09T01:37:06Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Well the moderator is obviously atheist so I wouldn’t expect any action. I just want a civilized debate. Sadly, it’s impossible with atheists. Marley may be an atheist. (Don’t recall if he is atheist or agnostic at the moment.) However, I am Christian and I have found your “arguments” to be a bit embarrassing. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/249 "2012-02-09T01:40:06Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > You want an atheist world? See how wonderful life is in China then. at the very least there would be constant bickering over laws of morality. Who is to say your idea of morality is more right than another person? > > Suicide rate would go through the roof too. Funny, I’ve never heard of a dog commiting suicide. Actually, _religion_ is [correlated with social dysfunction](http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/religious-belief-and-societal-health/), not atheism. The idea that religion makes people or society better is just something religious people made up out of nothing, like everything else they claim. > [@](#): > > In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the prosperous democracies (Figures 5 and 6). ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/250 "2012-02-09T01:41:08Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Marley may be an atheist. (Don’t recall if he is atheist or agnostic at the moment.) However, I am Christian and I have found your “arguments” to be a bit embarrassing. Sorry. I could care less if you claim to be a Christian. Gary Busey claims this as well, yet he believes in past lives and astral projection. Without a counter argument, your comment is nothing but a disguised insult. That’s hardly Christian love. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/251 "2012-02-09T01:44:42Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > I could care less if you claim to be a Christian. Gary Busey claims this as well, yet he believes in past lives and astral projection. Without a counter argument, your comment is nothing but a disguised insult. That’s hardly Christian love. There’s just a _little_ bit of psychological projection going on here. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/252 "2012-02-09T01:49:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > But you can imagine a god who purposely designed us as “perfect eternal beings” that were somehow flawed enough to do something that caused a downfall? Wouldn’t the downfall of man be your God’s fault, for not designing people who wouldn’t do the thing he told them not to do? “I don’t see what’s so t’riffic about creating people as people and then gettin’ upset 'cos they act like people.” – Adam Young in _Good Omens_ Of course, he \*is \*the Antichrist. But he’s a good kid. [QUOTE=tomndebb] **Kobal2** , in the interest of not derailing this thread further, please stop characterizing **GEEPERS** ’s posts as whining. [/QUOTE] Gotcha. What would a good synonym be, then ? (I keed, I keed) ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/253 "2012-02-09T01:53:05Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > There’s just a _little_ bit of psychological projection going on here. I shouldnt get so defensive, but it just came off as a cheap shot to me. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/254 "2012-02-09T01:58:43Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > I shouldnt get so defensive, but it just came off as a cheap shot to me. If it helps at all, you should feel free to search **tomndebb’s** post history. If you look at GD posts, i’m pretty sure you’ll find he’s noted his Christianity before now. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/255 "2012-02-09T02:00:31Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > I shouldnt get so defensive, but it just came off as a cheap shot to me. No; the person making cheap shots here is you. You keep throwing out baseless insults about atheists & atheism, and you _actually_ insulted **tomndebb** while claiming he was _secretly_ insulting you. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/256 "2012-02-09T02:04:34Z")
What, no “win” for my post 197? That’s a quality joke, people! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/257 "2012-02-09T02:10:51Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What, no “win” for my post 197? That’s a quality joke, people! Dude, post 215 is way funnier than that. It even has special effects! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/258 "2012-02-09T02:11:40Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What, no “win” for my post 197? That’s a quality joke, people! _\_ Ha! Actually, that was pretty good. EDIT: 215’s good too. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/259 "2012-02-09T02:42:11Z")
Really? I liked “Jesus Crustacean,” m’self. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/260 "2012-02-09T03:29:02Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No; the person making cheap shots here is you. You keep throwing out baseless insults about atheists & atheism, and you _actually_ insulted **tomndebb** while claiming he was _secretly_ insulting you. Oh please, you people threw dozens of rude sarcastic remarks at me all day as well as directly insulting my faith. Someone claiming to be a Christian and calling me an embarrassment was just another way to take a stab at me. A opened minded civilized discussion would have been more like “I disagree, and here is why…” But nope, just more comments about how stupid my points are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193.md?page=14)