# I Think I Know Why God Doesn't Heal Amputees **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 8, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193 "2012-02-08T15:22:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/121 "2012-02-08T20:43:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Try it. You’ve made a bunch of claims - not just about God, but about science and evolution - that you should back up. I’m not saying people will accept what you’re saying, but if you want to have an actual discussion, this is what you should be doing. > I don’t think you’ve earned the right to get this sarcastic in this discussion. But frankly, no, sex with multiple partners isn’t necessarily harmful and eating a burger a month isn’t going to damage your health. I already did that. I posted references showing that a heart healthy diet considers of extremely low fat content and high doses of fruits and veggies. Heck, this guy even shows pictures of before and after angiograms of people who follow his diet in his book: > **[Caldwell Esselstyn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldwell_Esselstyn)** > > Caldwell Blakeman Esselstyn Jr. (born December 12, 1933) is an American physician, author and former Olympic rowing champion. > Esselstyn is director of the Heart Disease Reversal Program at the Cleveland Clinic. He is also the author of Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease (2007), in which he argued for a low-fat, whole foods, plant-based diet that avoids all animal products and oils, as well as reducing or avoiding soybeans, nuts, and avocados. The diet has been criticized for its unfounded heal... As for Mosaic law, there are many references out there stating that the Bible was thousands of years ahead of science in terms of preventing disease. [http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511499074&cid=CBO9780511499074A010](http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511499074&cid=CBO9780511499074A010) Obviously, you are going to argue against anything a Christian says if you claim that sex with multiple partners isn’t harmful. Absolutely ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/122 "2012-02-08T20:45:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re not allowed to accuse other posters of lying in this forum. Saying they have posted something false (a lie told by someone else, for example), is allowed, but you can’t say the posters themselves are lying. Please don’t do this again. But it’s ok to accuse me of being a liar as well as insult my personal beliefs? That is hardly fair. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/123 "2012-02-08T20:46:47Z")
> [@Trans Fat Og](#): > > Would that be as weak as the Ukraine in Kramer and Newman’s game of Risk? 😉 > > While forgiving folks often does not come easily to me, I can forgive just about anything upon a sincere apology. > > Unlike the Big Daddy in the Sky friend of the OP, I don’t require someone else to suffer and die for the offense as part of the arrangement. > > 😛 I sense a pink unicorn reference coming up. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/124 "2012-02-08T20:48:52Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > But it’s ok to accuse me of being a liar as well as insult my personal beliefs? That is hardly fair. Nobody said you couldn’t insult others’ personal beliefs. Where did somebody call you a liar? Find that post and report it to the mods. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/125 "2012-02-08T20:48:53Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > But it’s ok to accuse me of being a liar as well as insult my personal beliefs? That is hardly fair. Who accused you of lying or being a liar ? That’s one cite that shouldn’t take too much digging up or effort on your part. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/126 "2012-02-08T20:51:09Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Who accused you of lying or being a liar ? That’s one cite that shouldn’t take too much digging up or effort on your part. Maybe it was a vague prophecy in the Old Testament? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/127 "2012-02-08T20:51:56Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Christians are right that murder is a bad thing. But that isn’t something that only Christians know. > > So pretending that you have an argument, but aren’t going to waste it on us, is hardly compelling. It’s exactly the same thing we’d expect if you didn’t have an argument at all. > > And sex with multiple partners \*might \*be bad. Especially if the dude is hella big and has no wang control. And yet here you respond with a sarcastic comment. Why should I expect you to take any pro-Christian argument seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/128 "2012-02-08T20:52:16Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Obviously, you are going to argue against anything a Christian says if you claim that sex with multiple partners isn’t harmful. Absolutely ridiculous. Could you explain exactly what the harm is, among consenting adults? I’m genuinely curious. It does seem to happen rather a lot in the Old Testament, often with no bad consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/129 "2012-02-08T20:54:29Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > As for Mosaic law, there are many references out there stating that the Bible was thousands of years ahead of science in terms of preventing disease. > > [http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511499074&cid=CBO9780511499074A010](http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511499074&cid=CBO9780511499074A010) Strange, but I don’t see “bacteria” or “viruses” mentioned anywhere in the bible. Doesn’t God know about these? Why didn’t He tell us? Why are we told that disease is caused by demons and non-belief? If God told Jews about how to prevent disease, then why aren’t kosher-keeping Jews healthier than non-kosher, non-believers? And sex with multiple partners can be fun. Is all fun sinful? If so, I highly recommend sin as the new recreation! Sin-City, here we come! ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/130 "2012-02-08T20:55:29Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You aren’t winning some arguments and falling behind because of the press of countless atheists. You are utterly failing every time. > > You shouldn’t pretend that if there were fewer atheists in the thread you would be able to debate them logically. > > There is no evidence for God. None. There is no biblical prophecy that is accurate. You can’t logically argue for what you believe, because it is utterly illogical. I see, so the Jews were never persecuted and never became a nation again, and Israel is a small unimportant nation that no one cares about these days. lol Maybe if I tell myself that eating pizza is good for me over and over, it will make it true just like saying there is no God. Worth a try, right? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/131 "2012-02-08T20:55:40Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > And yet here you respond with a sarcastic comment. Why should I expect you to take any pro-Christian argument seriously? The first two lines aren’t sarcastic. The third is, because what evidence have you got that multiple sexual partners are a bad thing? Are people who only have one sexual partner happier? Richer? Longer lived? You are making _assertions_, not _arguments_. Let’s see some actual evidence to back up your assertions and we’ll talk. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/132 "2012-02-08T20:57:09Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Strange, but I don’t see “bacteria” or “viruses” mentioned anywhere in the bible. Doesn’t God know about these? Why didn’t He tell us? Why are we told that disease is caused by demons and non-belief? > > If God told Jews about how to prevent disease, then why aren’t kosher-keeping Jews healthier than non-kosher, non-believers? > > And sex with multiple partners can be fun. Is all fun sinful? If so, I highly recommend sin as the new recreation! Sin-City, here we come! Sure it’s fun until that HIV test comes back positive. Then you have the rest of your life telling yourself that it was freaking stupid to trade one experience of pleasure for a lifetime of health problems. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/133 "2012-02-08T20:57:13Z")
Still Jewish and awaiting your response **Geepers** ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/134 "2012-02-08T21:00:45Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > I see, so the Jews were never persecuted and never became a nation again, and Israel is a small unimportant nation that no one cares about these days. lol The specific chapter and verse, please. > [@](#): > > Maybe if I tell myself that eating pizza is good for me over and over, it will make it true just like saying there is no God. Worth a try, right? There is evidence that eating pizza every day is bad for you. There is no evidence for God. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/135 "2012-02-08T21:01:11Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Sure it’s fun until that HIV test comes back positive. Then you have the rest of your life telling yourself that it was freaking stupid to trade one experience of pleasure for a lifetime of health problems. So, what are your views on condom use? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/136 "2012-02-08T21:03:38Z")
Back to the OP(I think): **GEEPERS** , how would you be able to tell of the healing of an amputee came from God or not? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/137 "2012-02-08T21:13:19Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > The specific chapter and verse, please. > > There is evidence that eating pizza every day is bad for you. There is no evidence for God. Correction, there is no evidence that satisfies you. Obviously, medical miracles aren’t enough for you. Ezekiel 34:13 - pretty bold prophecy considering they were in Babylonian captivity at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/138 "2012-02-08T21:15:34Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Well since I’ve never once seen an atheist admit that a Christian is right on any point, even a fact would be disputed here. What’s the next argument? Sex with multiple partners is not harmful at all? I’m an atheist. [QUOTE=GEEPEERS] But there is still the reality that amputees are never ever healed no matter how much prayer. [/QUOTE] I agree with this. No doubt I probably agree with you on many other things; I think killing is bad, for example, likewise stealing, and I think that charity and giving is good. If you believe these things, I admit that you are right. Assuming you’re a Christian, I hope you won’t use this argument again. And i’ll add my voice to the chorus in calling for you to respond to **DocCathode’s** posts - he’s another believer with whom I agree on some issues. I’d also like to point out again that your Leviticus cite does not say what you claimed it said - a case of you apparently disagreeing with believers, oddly enough. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/139 "2012-02-08T21:18:44Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > **Geepers** You dismiss statements that your arguments are unsupported by (or contradict) the facts, that you engage in logical fallacies, and that you position is weak by saying ’ That is what an atheist would say of course.’ > > Well, I believe in the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (and Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah). I bear the mark of my covenant with Him on my flesh and in my soul. I feel His presence in my daily life. > > And your arguments still stink. Since you fail to offer a solid counter argument, this sounds like baiting. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193/140 "2012-02-08T21:21:07Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I’m an atheist. I agree with this. > > No doubt I probably agree with you on many other things; I think killing is bad, for example, likewise stealing, and I think that charity and giving is good. If you believe these things, I admit that you are right. > > Assuming you’re a Christian, I hope you won’t use this argument again. And i’ll add my voice to the chorus in calling for you to respond to **DocCathode’s** posts - he’s another believer with whom I agree on some issues. I’d also like to point out again that your Leviticus cite does not say what you claimed it said - a case of you apparently disagreeing with believers, oddly enough. Well I stand corrected then! (about the agreeing part although I doubt you are being serious). What Lev cite are you refering? Oh wait, I thought I never provided cites? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-i-know-why-god-doesnt-heal-amputees/612193.md?page=8)