It is a dream within a dream wrapped up inside a dream.
Plus it is obvious that he is trapped in a dream. When did you last make sense of your dreams?
Also, when she wanted them to have a joint suicide together, why didn’t she just kill him and kill herself instead of the whole framing him for murder thing?
Killing your loved spouse in a totally realistic manner isn’t something that most people would do as anything but a last resort. He had no idea the inception would work too well. It probably seemed like a better alternative than hitting her with a rock.
She framed him for murder because she wanted him to deny the “reality” of the real world and have nothing holding him to it.
She wanted him to jump, and she probably knew she couldn’t overpower him and force him out the window. Yes, killing him would “wake him” from the dream she believed they were trapped in, but she wanted him to take that leap of faith, literally and figuratively. “I’m asking you to take a leap of faith.” She wants him to have a choice, but at the same time, she doesn’t want him to have the guilt of leaving the (to her imaginary) children.
I don’t know why people think they weren’t in the same room. He goes into the hotel room she destroyed and searched for her. Yes the layout is a little strange, but it’s obvious they’re in the same room. She’s not in a different hotel or a different room, their room is a U-shape, and she’s in the bedroom. He couldn’t run and grab her. He probably thought the second he stepped away from the window and lost direct sight of her, she’d jump. He was freaking out and trying to coax her back inside while she rambled about leaps of faith and leaving the children without guilt.
Did it have to be death via jumping, though? She couldn’t have shot him or something?
Though as you say, Lobohan, I guess that might be upsetting even if you thought you were really in a dream.
The jumping had significance because that’s how they woke up from their dream states. Like the van plunging off the bridge.
^no. the van was specifically designed to wake that particular crew - inner ear imbalance being the only way to wake them from the SUPERsedative.
dream mal and dream leo woke the 1st time from putting their heads on the tracks.
it would have tied up a lot of loopholes if they had just added “willful death” instead of just “death” to the escape-from-limbo cause. i would suspect that just a death would result in a brain-dead state since your brain believes you’re dead.
Yeah, as pancake3 said, I thought they died via train.
Perhaps this was covered here, or hinted at, but lets revisit it.
The machines used to engage an inception.
The math didn’t work for me. I don’t recall the film that well, but the entire ordeal struck me as N inceptions [layers] with N - 2 machines. That is, I don’t understand how they got to the Bond-esque Hostile Hospital, or into limbo after that. Not so sure the Kicks worked either.
Caught the film with my family. The 6 of us. We had 10 explanations over what we had just seen.
Various Inception Spoilers VIA Digg :
http://digg.com/search?q=Caine+explains+Inception&submit=
Including Caine’s explanation of the ending, and an Infograph in regards to the layers of the film [The latter IIRC is not endorsed or originated by Caine.]
^that because the kicks are a level off. the van is being correlated to youseff’s but it actually wakes the people in the level below. if you follow the the kicks down, the dynamite would kick people out of cobb’s dream, but that was impromptu. ok fine, so say the explosives were improvised… then why have the defibrillator also? then the jumping-off-the-building wouldn’t kick out of cobb’s dream but rather limbo. the entire thing is just wrong, and intentionally wrong.
you can’t make sense of it because there are inherent flaws in logic. there’s nothing to make sense. it’s confusing to make people go back and watch it multiple times, then buy dvds! for shame, nolan brothers. for shame.
Yeah, I realized that after I posted. It wasn’t the infograph I saw. The one I saw was purely rectangular, with the layers as actual layers in the rectangle. I’m with you, that Lack of words does not an Infograph make.
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I would hate to ask for your take on Memento.**
Then again, I didn’t catch Memento in theaters. I believe I either had it on Netflix, Blockbuster, or one the now failed Internet Movie Rental Download services.
The MOMENT it was over, I knew I had to watch it again. And because I had the disc in my hand, I could do it.
I loved Memento so much, I went out and bought the standard one disc version. I had the opportunity to get the two disc version for little money out of pocket, so I also got that version a few years later*.
- Comment on one of the features the 2 disc version had. Comment reveals enough of the plot of Memento to warrant a spoiler box.
[spoiler] The 2 disc version had an Easter Egg in it, that when engaged, allowed you to watch Memento backwards. That is, the exact way you KNOW you need to see the film, after watching it. The footage and audio plays forwards, but the scenes are re-cut in a way that is coherent. The Black and White scenes are all put together, and IIRC are played first thing.
–Trust me on this, once you watch the film backwards, you understand it on orders of magnitude more than with-out.[/spoiler]
How do you kill someone you love even in a dream? Look how hard it was for Leo to kill a Mal that he intellectually know was his subconscience. Don’t disassociate the emotional response from the decision-making process.
What do you mean by that?
There was a machine on every level. They used the machine on the plane to get to the city. They used the machine in the van to get to the hotel. They used the machine in the hotel room to get to the snow fortress. They used the machine outside the vault to get to limbo. They didn’t need a machine on limbo. We saw them hooking up to a new machine every time, right before they descended to a new level.
I agree that the kicks don’t work though. They don’t make complete sense either as a push or pull. Some consistency there would have been nice.
The Machine in question is in the Fortress / Hospital. I recall a box being next to Cobb and Ariadne and a the person would be … entered. But to my mind, I can’t call that box anything but the AED / Defib machine. Simply put, I was struck by the ad-hoc nature the mission ended up being, after all of the planning. [Who buys a 747 outright, just to have a plan go sideways?] To that end, It’s my interpretation that there is one or two machines too few [depending on how you look at it]
Then again, how are the dream layers not unlike The Construct in The Matrix? Couldn’t Cobb get a Machine just as sure as Neo got his “Guns, lots of guns” ?
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One thing for sure, the DVD is taking it’s time hitting the market. **
Amazon points to 12/7 for Inception’s DVD and Blu-Ray release.
Actually, he bought the entire airline.
i think it was implied that you could conjure up things you needed in the dream world when the guy told gordon-levitt to not be afraid to dream big, and pulled out a bazooka.
plus ariadne was there anyway and she conjured up the level and can make changes as she saw fit. at least she could conjure up some dream machines if nothing else.
the part where the logic starts to fall apart is… why does a make-believe machine work the same as a real life one? you can argue that make-believe bullets work just as well… but in a matrix-esque retort - it’s because you think it will. if someone had never seen a dream machine before… would they just die because they think it’s some sort of poison machine?
like i said, the plot is as holey as a sieve.