# I think Miller was wrong to warn me in this BBQ Pit thread **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 24, 2015, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391 "2015-09-24T11:10:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/81 "2015-09-25T14:32:14Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > A multiple page Pit thread about some Kane guy I literally had never heard off, no I didn’t read the full thread, just the last page with the warning. I don’t really care about it either, I was just curious about a warning for repeating the name when apparently it had already been made public. Is that doxxing? > > Another question. I see from the last few posts in the Pit thread that the case seems to very shaky and lawyers for the accuser have just walked away, so, does it change anything if the OP was right? > Ban the guy or don’t ban him, I don’t care a whit, but if he felt no responsibility to protect the accuser because he didn’t believe her claims at all, then does it matter if it turns out that he was correct and that she was lying all along? None of that is actually accurate. if you are able to get her name from the slimiest of websites that does not mean we have to put ourselves on their level. Her name was not released publicly. As for whether the case has merit, that isn’t nearly decided. Her lawyer leaving the case doesn’t have any bearing on the merits. He is not involved in the investigation. If you want to discuss that you can bring it up in the thread. At a later date if she is named and the circumstances of the investigation change then the discussion will of course change. None of that has any bearing on the mod action as it happened here. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/82 "2015-09-25T14:54:56Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > None of that is actually accurate. > > if you are able to get her name from the slimiest of websites that does not mean we have to put ourselves on their level. Her name was not released publicly. > > As for whether the case has merit, that isn’t nearly decided. Her lawyer leaving the case doesn’t have any bearing on the merits. He is not involved in the investigation. If you want to discuss that you can bring it up in the thread. At a later date if she is named and the circumstances of the investigation change then the discussion will of course change. None of that has any bearing on the mod action as it happened here. What isn’t accurate? That I didn’t know who Kane was? That I hadn’t read the full pit thread? That I wasn’t curious? You haven’t answered either of my questions. Her name was in the public domain so did he doxx the lady in question? And is it relevant that he could be banned when potentially the opinion that drove his actions could actually be correct? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/83 "2015-09-25T14:57:55Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Is this message board REALLY in any legal jeopardy by someone revealing the name here, assuming the name is already in the public domain? If not, then I don’t see the point of having a rule against doing so. Here’s a pretty simple test. If it had been one of your close friends, or even a family member, how would you feel about her name being released? (or re-released on message boards) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/84 "2015-09-25T15:10:32Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Here’s a pretty simple test. > > If it had been one of your close friends, or even a family member, how would you feel about her name being released? (or re-released on message boards) Whether or not someone is a friend of mine should have nothing to do with board policy. If it was a family member, and someone knowingly did this, then I can see mod action being appropriate. But that wasn’t the case. If we had to worry about whether or not we might be hurting someone’s family member ever time we posted something, not much would be posted in the Pit. But that is really neither here nor there. If the info is really in the public domain, and the MB is not in legal jeopardy, my point stands. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/85 "2015-09-25T15:12:21Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > But that is really neither here nor there. If the info is really in the public domain, and the MB is not in legal jeopardy, my point stands. It’s not, which is the problem. He claims to have read it off a document he saw someone holding on TV and few other sleazy sites have also picked up on it. That hardly makes it publicly released. If it was public no one would have had a problem with it breaking any board rules. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/86 "2015-09-25T15:14:53Z")
Is the point of the Don’t Be a Jerk policy simply to reduce legal liability for the board? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/87 "2015-09-25T15:19:09Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > It’s not, which is the problem. He claims to have read it off a document he saw someone holding on TV and few other sleazy sites have also picked up on it. That hardly makes it publicly released. If it was public no one would have had a problem with it breaking any board rules. OK, I can understand that. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/88 "2015-09-25T15:20:19Z")
The victim’s attorney also spoke the first name of the alleged victim. [link removed] ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/89 "2015-09-25T15:22:02Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Is the point of the Don’t Be a Jerk policy simply to reduce legal liability for the board? I think the point is to stop people being jerks. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/90 "2015-09-25T15:29:11Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Is the point of the Don’t Be a Jerk policy simply to reduce legal liability for the board? No, the point of a Don’t Be a Jerk policy is to tell people who are being jerks to either stop or go somewhere else. Just like in a bar, at a sporting event, or a neighborhood block party. When I was in journalism school we were taught that one of the meanings of the First Amendment is that anyone can start their own newspaper and say whatever they want, but that doesn’t mean you have to let them say it in YOUR newspaper. It’s even easier to start a new message board than a newspaper. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/91 "2015-09-25T15:40:31Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Is the point of the Don’t Be a Jerk policy simply to reduce legal liability for the board? No, it’s because most people don’t like to hang out with jerks. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/92 "2015-09-25T15:42:13Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > What isn’t accurate? That I didn’t know who Kane was? That I hadn’t read the full pit thread? That I wasn’t curious? > > You haven’t answered either of my questions. Her name was in the public domain so did he doxx the lady in question? And is it relevant that he could be banned when potentially the opinion that drove his actions could actually be correct? Ok I should say your main points were not accurate. I believe you didn’t know who Kane was and you didn’t read the thread. Before forming an opinion I did research to see how easy it was to find her name soon after Dale posted it. This was before he was warned. I watched the press conference. Her name was not displayed in any way that could be read by the tv audience. I did searches on multiple browsers. Without having her name already I could not find her name. With her name I found mention on a couple of small slimy misoginistic websites and Dale’s thread. I’m confident that at the time of the posting her name was not publicly distributed. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/93 "2015-09-25T16:01:15Z")
Update: > [@](#): > > The lawyer for a woman accusing Chicago Blackhawks star Patrick Kane of sexual assault abruptly quit the case Thursday night, saying he’s no longer comfortable representing the woman because of how her mother reported finding an evidence bag they believed once held the woman’s rape kit. [Sports](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/thomas-eoannou-quits-patrick-kane-rape_560536d9e4b0768126fd1326) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/94 "2015-09-25T16:09:26Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > Update: > > [Sports](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/thomas-eoannou-quits-patrick-kane-rape_560536d9e4b0768126fd1326) Irrelevant to the current discussion and already mentioned in the appropriate thread. If you want to discuss the subject there is a six page Pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/95 "2015-09-25T16:12:35Z")
Which is completely irrelevant to this thread. Whether or not she’s after a payout or the most victimized women since Eve doxxing her is a jerk move and sanctions apply. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/96 "2015-09-25T16:14:37Z")
I’m on the fence on this one. I assume that once that photo hit the interwebs that the accuser’s name would be all over the web so what’s the difference if dalej42 posts it. Strange thing is despite the leak, it seems to be pretty difficult to find her name with just a casual search. I think dalej42 assumed that the information would be readily available and it’s not. Because of that a warning may be overblown and maybe just a note and/or redacting the name is sufficient. Now if the warning were for encouraging harrassing her, that’s a different issue. ETA: Research had the same results as Loach ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/97 "2015-09-25T16:47:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Whether or not someone is a friend of mine should have nothing to do with board policy. If it was a family member, and someone knowingly did this, then I can see mod action being appropriate. But that wasn’t the case. If we had to worry about whether or not we might be hurting someone’s family member ever time we posted something, not much would be posted in the Pit. > > But that is really neither here nor there. If the info is really in the public domain, and the MB is not in legal jeopardy, my point stands. So, you won’t answer the question before you? I’m not surprised. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/98 "2015-09-25T16:50:28Z")
**Moderator Action** > [@dalej42](#): > > The victim’s attorney also spoke the first name of the alleged victim. > [link removed] Since you couldn’t type out the name you decided to link to it instead? I don’t know why you want to die on this particular hill, but you’re suspended while I discuss this with the other mods. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/99 "2015-09-25T17:00:31Z")
Even Ray Charles can see what’s next. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/100 "2015-09-25T17:04:07Z")
I don’t think that the Chicago Tribune published her name. The version I saw only reported that the lawyer mentioned her first name inadvertently, due to exhaustion. Did **dale’s** link actually contain her name? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391.md?page=6)