# I think Miller was wrong to warn me in this BBQ Pit thread **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 24, 2015, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391 "2015-09-24T11:10:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/101 "2015-09-25T17:12:18Z")
The link went to the video where the lawyer spoke the first name. The name was not printed in the linked article but was audible in the video. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/102 "2015-09-25T17:15:35Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > And is it relevant that he could be banned when potentially the opinion that drove his actions could actually be correct? Not remotely relevant. Being right about something is not a defense against breaking the rules, here or in real life. If you call another poster a troll, that’s a warnable offense, even if the other poster later gets banned from trolling. If you beat up your neighbor because you think he stole your car, you’re getting arrested, even if the cops later find your car in his garage. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/103 "2015-09-25T17:27:18Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > So, you won’t answer the question before you? I’m not surprised. I answered the question and more. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/104 "2015-09-25T17:51:11Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > Since you couldn’t type out the name you decided to link to it instead? > > I don’t know why you want to die on this particular hill, but you’re suspended while I discuss this with the other mods. This is looking like a case of suicide by mod. Dale will probably go off to another board that’s more compatible to his views and brag about how this board couldn’t handle him telling it like it is. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/105 "2015-09-25T18:14:30Z")
Seems like there is a fine line between “suicide by mod” and accepting the inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![John\_D\_Adamo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@John\_D\_Adamo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_D_Adamo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/106 "2015-09-25T19:07:33Z")
IMO, A warning, at **bare** minimum, was whole heartedly deserved in this case. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/107 "2015-09-25T19:12:29Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Not remotely relevant. Being right about something is not a defense against breaking the rules, here or in real life. If you call another poster a troll, that’s a warnable offense, even if the other poster later gets banned from trolling. If you beat up your neighbor because you think he stole your car, you’re getting arrested, even if the cops later find your car in his garage. That’s because those are explicit and well defined one-size-fits-all rules. The whole issue here is that there’s no explicit rule about it and it’s an all-purpose “don’t be a jerk” issue, which is more dependent on the circumstance of an individual case. And since the entire basis for the convention of not naming rape accusers is premised on them being actual victims, the truth of the accusation is very much relevant. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/108 "2015-09-25T19:17:32Z")
Good job, **Miller**. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/109 "2015-09-25T19:24:54Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Seems like there is a fine line between “suicide by mod” and accepting the inevitable. I don’t see inevitability being an issue. Miller gave a warning; lots of people have received warnings without there being any subsequent suspension or banning. Just because dale chose to break the policy a second time, doesn’t mean it was inevitable he would do so. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/110 "2015-09-25T19:30:53Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > That’s because those are explicit and well defined one-size-fits-all rules. The whole issue here is that there’s no explicit rule about it and it’s an all-purpose “don’t be a jerk” issue, which is more dependent on the circumstance of an individual case. And since the entire basis for the convention of not naming rape accusers is premised on them being actual victims, the truth of the accusation is very much relevant. It would be pointless to have a policy of not naming an alleged rape victim’s name only after the charges have been proved. The allegation gets made at the beginning of the legal process; if a conviction occurs, it comes at the end. If you wait until the conviction before invoking the rule, it means that any victim - including those whose allegations will eventually be held up in court - will have their names revealed throughout the arrest and trial process. Nobody can go back in time after a conviction and erase the memories of the victim’s name. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/111 "2015-09-25T19:34:35Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I don’t see inevitability being an issue. Miller gave a warning; lots of people have received warnings without there being any subsequent suspension or banning. Indeed. Miller gave me a warning once. I was way too hot under the collar over a sensitive issue and I totally deserved it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/112 "2015-09-25T19:51:19Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > What isn’t accurate? That I didn’t know who Kane was? That I hadn’t read the full pit thread? That I wasn’t curious? > > You haven’t answered either of my questions. Her name was in the public domain so did he doxx the lady in question? And is it relevant that he could be banned when potentially the opinion that drove his actions could actually be correct? Her name WASN’T in the public domain. From what I gather, he found it via a video where her name can be seen on a bag the lawyer was displaying at a press conference. You have to look closely though. Her name hasn’t be released. And anyways, if you had bothered to read the thread, you would know the full context of what happened. He had said she needed to be told she was a whore, she needed to be publically shamed, and that her picture should be published as well. As for why Kane’s name is mentioned? He’s a famous hockey player, and this is a major accusation. (Yes, I know you’ve personally never heard of him. Doesn’t mean he’s not famous.) ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/113 "2015-09-25T19:52:31Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It would be pointless to have a policy of not naming an alleged rape victim’s name only after the charges have been proved. The allegation gets made at the beginning of the legal process; if a conviction occurs, it comes at the end. If you wait until the conviction before invoking the rule, it means that any victim - including those whose allegations will eventually be held up in court - will have their names revealed throughout the arrest and trial process. Nobody can go back in time after a conviction and erase the memories of the victim’s name. Again, what you’re saying makes sense in the context of “hav[ing] a policy”. What we’re discussing here is whether it counts as being a jerk. If someone has made the assessment that this particular person is not a rape victim but is instead a gold-digger, then it would follow from that conclusion that revealing her name is not jerkish behaviour. From the perspective of someone who made a contrary assessment it would be jerkish. But if the first person’s assessment turned out to be correct, then the judgment of their actions as jerkish would turn out to be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/114 "2015-09-25T19:55:06Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > **Moderator Action** > Since you couldn’t type out the name you decided to link to it instead? > > I don’t know why you want to die on this particular hill, but you’re suspended while I discuss this with the other mods. Really? A link to a web page which contains a video of the alleged victim’s own lawyer stating her first name? I didn’t watch the video but say her name is Sally. How could someone track her down, stalk her, or shame her by simply knowing her first name?? This is an overreaction to a rule that is an overreaction to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/115 "2015-09-25T19:58:34Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Autocorrect is fixing “whore” –\> “white” now? That’s some mighty creative autocorrecting. Autocorrect is a predictive algorithm. It looks for letters near the point your cursor traced or the letters you actually hit and looks for words that fit letter combinations similar to that. As someone mentioned, i is right next to o, and t is right next to r. Highest likelihood is “white” over “whore”. YMMV. > [@bucketybuck](#): > > Another question. I see from the last few posts in the Pit thread that the case seems to very shaky and lawyers for the accuser have just walked away, so, does it change anything if the OP was right? > Ban the guy or don’t ban him, I don’t care a whit, but if he felt no responsibility to protect the accuser because he didn’t believe her claims at all, then does it matter if it turns out that he was correct and that she was lying all along? No, it changes nothing. He posted her name even though it has not been released publically, and he did it amidst calls for harassing her, even so far as to call her a whore to her face. Definition of being a jerk. As far as the imbalance between releasing accused vs. accusers, that might be a suitable topic for a GD thread. But as far as this incident is concerned, a Warning is well deserved. As far as general policy, I support it. **John Mace** , just because something isn’t illegal or put the board in legal liability doesn’t mean it isn’t rude, or worthy of condemnation. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/116 "2015-09-25T20:01:51Z")
Miller did the right thing here. It was a jerk move by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/117 "2015-09-25T20:05:04Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > If someone has made the assessment that this particular person is not a rape victim but is instead a gold-digger, then it would follow from that conclusion that revealing her name is not jerkish behaviour. From the perspective of someone who made a contrary assessment it would be jerkish. But if the first person’s assessment turned out to be correct, then the judgment of their actions as jerkish would turn out to be wrong. No, your personal opinion isn’t relevant, because you don’t have all the information. So far, she’s an accuser. Revealing her identity, especially in the context of encouraging others to harass her directly to her face, is a jerk move whether she’s a victim or really is a golddigging whore. Just like it would be a dick move to encourage going up to Kane and calling him a rapist pig to his face. (It also might get you punched, but that’s a separate issue.) ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/118 "2015-09-25T20:07:48Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Just like it would be a dick move to encourage going up to Kane and calling him a rapist pig to his face. (It also might get you punched, but that’s a separate issue.) More likely high-sticked, but that’s a seperate issue. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/119 "2015-09-25T20:08:06Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I say screw that. The behavior described in the OP fell under the heading of jerkitude, invading privacy and harassment. Here’s another angle. Most of us here are pseudo-anonymous. Upholding a general standard of privacy assists those who wish to remain that way. Repeated on a new page, with added emphasis: [INDENT]You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use the SDMB to post any material that you know or should know is false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, **invasive of a person’s privacy** , or in violation of U.S. law. [/INDENT] ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/120 "2015-09-25T20:41:07Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Now if the warning were for encouraging harrassing her, that’s a different issue. That’s pretty much what it was, just so you know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391.md?page=7)