# I Think We Have Lost **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 14, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792 "2022-01-14T16:31:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/201 "2022-01-21T01:00:39Z")
> [@post:138](#): > > Recent surveys have shown that barely half of Americans can name the three branches of government and that most would earn an “F” on the U.S. citizenship exam. And I suspect a not inconsiderable number of them would then turn around and say that the reason they failed it is that it has a lot of bogus questions that are not what is the true Americam Way and that it was deliberately made to exclude “real Americans”… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/202 "2022-01-21T02:14:57Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …CRT IS NOT TAUGHT TO HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. > > The Republicans are simply **pretending** CRT is being taught at High Schools. > > It isn’t true. They are lying. They are lying liars. They made it up. They just said it out loud, over and over and over and over and over and over and over again until people started believing it. Thanks, but apparently you are shouting into the wind. Those who continue to believe the lies will go on believing the lies. I don’t think the words you’ve written can even penetrate into their cerebral cortex. ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/203 "2022-01-21T02:24:58Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > I still don’t know what the “+” means [in LGBTQ+] Just in case you or someone else doesn’t know (and is too lazy to do a search on it), + is for all the other gender/sex and sexual/romantic minorities that exist, for example intersex, asexual, aromantic and nonbinary. More info [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT#Variants). > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Instead, we have all of the unnecessary made-up terms LGB\>LGBT\>LGBTQ\>LGBTQIA. Seriously, what’s the point? How does it improve communication? > [@octopus](#): > > Disliking goofy and ever-morphing language used mainly to virtue signal such as LGBTQQIP2SAA or Latinx is not necessarily a dislike of the people the goofy lump under said label. People have proposed alternatives to LGBTQetc+ that address this issue. They have seen increasing usage in academia. > [@Wikipedia](#): > > Variants include **GSM** (“Gender and Sexual Minorities”), **GSRM** (“Gender, Sexual and Romantic Minorities”) , and **GSD** (“Gender and Sexual Diversity”). They have been considered in academia, but it is **SGM** (“Sexual and Gender Minority”) that has gained the most advancement since 2014. In 2015, the NIH announced the formation of the Sexual and Gender Minority Research Office and numerous professional and academic institutions have adopted this term. Source: [Sexual minority - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_minority) ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/204 "2022-01-21T02:33:06Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Some have even called me a “sheep” for politely disagreeing with them. And yea, we are a small minority: how many conservatives do you know who 1) can’t stand Trump, 2) are pro-vax, and 3) understand the Earth is warming due to the burning of fossil fuels? Are you really still a conservative? I voted Republican starting in 1996 up until 2016 when I couldn’t hold my nose and vote for their candidate. But how conservative was I over those years? I was fine with gay marriage when I voted for Dole, I’ve been against the war on drugs for the same amount of time, and my idea of fiscal responsibility doesn’t include bailing out large companies who have no problem sticking it to the American worker. About the only area I’m right wing on is gun control. I admit I still think of myself as a conservative…but am I? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/205 "2022-01-21T02:34:59Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I admit I still think of myself as a conservative…but am I? There are certainly still conservatives out there… but at this point they really should not ever vote Republican, as this is not a conservative party anymore. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/206 "2022-01-24T19:08:06Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > is the treatment of the **“Q+” community** of fundamental importance to **mainstream Americans,** This. Right here. This is the kind of divisiveness that Republicans just have a blind spot for. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/207 "2022-01-24T19:11:49Z")
I don’t think we should cater to the Q community but that might mean something different to me than to others… ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/208 "2022-01-28T18:43:17Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > There are certainly still conservatives out there… but at this point they really should not ever vote Republican, as this is not a conservative party anymore. R is no longer for Republican (or conservative, which would imply keeping things they way they are as much as possible) but for Regressive - going back to the way things were. Like 150 years ago, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/209 "2022-01-28T19:12:34Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > Like 150 years ago, at least. Yes. More like pre-1861. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/210 "2022-01-29T18:25:55Z")
Black History month is coming up, so we may have a chance to see what conservatives _really_ mean when they bitch about CRT. I predict that in at least one jurisdiction, Black History month is deemed _hurtful_ to white children, because there’s no White History month……yuck yuck. I’m giving 50% odds that at least one of these yahoo governors issues an executive order restricting the curriculum of Black History month. Because it’s not about critical race theory, it’s about enabling the erosion of civil rights, with the ultimate goal of striking down anti-discrimination laws on the ground that they are unconstitutional because they limit freedom of association. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/211 "2022-01-29T18:28:26Z")
I’ll go one further. I think at some point in 2022, there will be a call to stop teaching that black people are the same as everyone, and deserving of equal rights. Because it hurts the feelings of poor little white supremacist children. Won’t someone think of the children? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/212 "2022-01-29T18:38:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Won’t someone think of the children? - The GOP does. Often in inappropriate ways. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/213 "2022-01-30T18:41:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This. Trump knew that his voters had the memory and attention span of a goldfish. Promise them anything “in two weeks”, and 14 days later, they have no recollection of it whatsoever. I disagree in that they aren’t actually fooling their supporters. They are actually giving them what they want. They want racism, sexism, homophobia, and cruelty. So long as they have a leader who participates in their cruelty and sanctions their own cruelty, they are happy. They don’t care about good government or policy at all. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/214 "2022-02-02T05:46:09Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > If so, why does the left react so strongly to schools not teaching a subject they don’t want to be taught? Because this is what they actually want to do, and they lie about CRT as a way to outrage their base and give them cover to do it: > **[Book banning in Texas schools: Titles are pulled off library shelves in...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-books-race-sexuality-schools-rcna13886)** > > Facing pressure from parents and threats of criminal charges, some districts have ignored policies meant to prevent censorship. Librarians and students are pushing back. > **[Tennessee school board bans Holocaust graphic novel 'Maus' – author Art...](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/26/tennessee-school-board-bans-holocaust-comic-maus-by-art-spiegelman.html)** > > 'Maus' author Art Spiegelman spoke to CNBC after a school board in Tennessee voted to ban his landmark graphic novel about the Nazis' persecution of Jews. So, ball is in your court. You can realize hey, wait, what these guys were saying might have been right, maybe all this CRT bullshit was a way to stir up the culture war to push the aganda they suggested, or you can rationalize how this has nothing to do with the evils of CRT or any real agenda and CRT is actually still the real threat and whatever fucking nonsense you want to cling to. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/215 "2022-02-03T20:13:49Z")
Here’s a list of all 850 books that Texas Republicans want to ban. Most of them (over 90%) have nothing to do with race, much less CRT. > **[All 850 Books Texas Lawmaker Matt Krause Wants to Ban: An Analysis](https://bookriot.com/texas-book-ban-list/)** > > Here are all some stats and highlights from the list of 850 books Matt Krause wants removed from school libraries, including most ironic pick. Here’s one of the objectionable titles. > **[Amazon.com: The Legal Atlas of the United States: 9780816031283: Fast, Julius,...](https://www.amazon.com/Legal-Atlas-United-States/dp/0816031282)** > > Amazon.com: The Legal Atlas of the United States: 9780816031283: Fast, Julius, Fast, Timothy: Books This makes any conservative that screams about cancel culture because a publisher decided to discontinue a couple of children’s books a complete and total hypocrite. And here’s a story about one of the heavily funded groups promoting this new censorship. > **[Who Are Moms for Liberty?: This Week's Book Censorship News, January 28, 2022](https://bookriot.com/book-censorship-news-january-28-2022/)** > > Learn about one of the groups leading book banning efforts in the US and catch this week's book censorship news for January 28, 2022. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/216 "2022-02-03T21:14:16Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > This makes any conservative that screams about cancel culture because a publisher decided to discontinue a couple of children’s books a complete and total hypocrite. To be fair, if you remove some of those words, you get, “any conservative [is] a complete and total hypocrite.” And they are fine with that. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/217 "2022-02-04T05:11:51Z")
Because one Texas lawmaker wants to do X any conservative is now a hypocrite? I’m not sure this is logical. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/218 "2022-02-04T10:54:06Z")
It’s not just what the lawmakers (plural) want to do, it’s the complete lack of outrage on the right. Because that’s the _right kind_ of censorship. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/219 "2022-02-04T18:54:50Z")
Remind me to quote this post back at you next time someone complains about something that AOC does. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792/220 "2022-02-08T15:05:04Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Here’s a list of all 850 books that Texas Republicans want to ban. Most of them (over 90%) have nothing to do with race, much less CRT. Most seem to be LGBTQ related or general sex-ed type books. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-we-have-lost/957792.md?page=12)