# I Told You So **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2004, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850 "2004-11-03T21:20:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/201 "2004-11-06T13:59:12Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’m getting kind of tired of this continuing justification that everybody and his dog thought there were WMD in Iraq. That incorrectly frames the justification. The mere presence of WMD in Iraq was NOT an _ispo facto_ justification for an invasion. I’m thinkin’ that you’d be less tired of it if you didn’t keep seeing it where it doesn’t exist. I didn’t say it was a justification of anything in this thread. I said Senator Kerry said that Hussein had them and that **elucidator** is a lying sack of shit for claiming otherwise. Senator Kerry did, and **elucidator** is, as I established. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/202 "2004-11-06T14:14:00Z")
I will personally blow everyone in this thread if they would please shut the hell up with the recriminations and the back and forth. I’m talking balls and everything, stroking with the tongue, the works, if you will all just let it die. Bush won, let’s move on with fixing the economy and winning the war in Iraq. and although I’m not a believer, you may want to pray for our people in Fallujah and the Iraqi civilians in harm’s way. signed Gobear, your Tijuana $2 whore. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/203 "2004-11-06T14:20:43Z")
> [@Random](#): > > I wasn’t a participant in those threads, but I did read them. Most of the time, I agreed with you. There were times that I considered joining in on your side when the Shrill ‘n’ Irrational Brigade attacked you, but didn’t. Mainly, that was because you didn’t seem to need the help. Well, I certainly appreciate knowing – now – that there was at least one reader that saw what I thought was obvious. And I also appreciate knowing that as six or eight people piled on me, you were confident I was holding my own and didn’t need the help. But the truth is that I would have very much welcomed a small showing of support in the form of a post or two. I’m not saying you had to leap into the fray - just a single post along the lines of, “Hey, it’s six to one here, and the six of you on one side aren’t arguing, but insulting.” So perhaps the next time you see something similar, you’ll consider posting, even if you think the target of the attack doesn’t need it. Because I think I’m on safe grounds in saying that the target of the attack will probably appreciate it. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/204 "2004-11-06T14:23:10Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I will personally blow everyone in this thread if they would please shut the hell up with the recriminations and the back and forth. I’m talking balls and everything, stroking with the tongue, the works, if you will all just let it die. Bush won, let’s move on with fixing the economy and winning the war in Iraq. and although I’m not a believer, you may want to pray for our people in Fallujah and the Iraqi civilians in harm’s way. > > signed Gobear, your Tijuana $2 whore. Is this in addition to the wine, or instead of? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/205 "2004-11-06T14:27:16Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Bush won, let’s move on with fixing the economy and winning the war in Iraq. Pigs fly. Stop trying to be the voice of “shut the fuck up”. > [@Bricker](#): > > Well, I certainly appreciate knowing – now – that there was at least one reader that saw what I thought was obvious. > > And I also appreciate knowing that as six or eight people piled on me, you were confident I was holding my own and didn’t need the help. Get over yourself, you whining pubbie jerkoff. In the “Uncle Tom” thread, one of your _opponents_ stepped up to defend you afainst the charge. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/206 "2004-11-06T14:33:58Z")
> [@Desmostylus](#): > > Pigs fly. Stop trying to be the voice of “shut the fuck up”.Get over yourself, you whining pubbie jerkoff. In the “Uncle Tom” thread, one of your _opponents_ stepped up to defend you afainst the charge. :rolleyes: Yes, that was much apprecated. Why wasn’t it every reader of the thread? The fact that you would use the fact that my father was Salvadoran to call me an Uncle Tom, to claim openly that my “Pubbie friends” were laughing at me behind my back, and not get the reaction that white supremacists get on these boards was… very discouraging. Thankfully, there was slightly more backlash against that attack than most others. Regrettably, it STILL amount to a slight bump in the flow, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Jinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Jinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jinx)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/207 "2004-11-06T14:35:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …You never heard me bad-mouth Senator Kerry… > > You haven’t learned, have you, lefties? No, you’re still singing the same refrain, tinged now with desperation because it seems that enough Americans didn’t believe you to give Mr. Bush the largest popular vote count of any President in history. You’re still blaming everyone else for your failure to reach the American public… While I thank you for always keeping a fairly objective view, people believe what they want to believe. I’d bet 51% of the people said that the Wright Brothers would never fly, too. But, time will tell. Unfortunately, too many Americans will lose as victims of poor domestic policies, etc. Just because the majority wins, doesn’t make the majority right. I mean, even Hitler could win an election (with enough propaganda to beat Nationalism into another example of national non-thinking.) Funny how the GOP will rush to cut welfare for people and put that money into corporate welfare. And no, that doesn’t _trickle down_ to the people, either folks. It just gets rolled up into fat piggy banks of the CEOs. Never forget, “W” also stands for “wrong”… 😉 Only 49% really understand what is happening to this country. As for me, I’d love to join the GOP, but I can’t afford it both literally and figuratively. 😃 Only the minority of the population knows what’s really going on, and never under-estimate their silent runnings underground. We’ll be back, baby! Fo whom the pendulum swings, it swings for thee… - Jinx ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/208 "2004-11-06T14:41:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, that was much apprecated. Why wasn’t it every reader of the thread? Perhaps it’s because you are, in fact, just a whining pubbie jerkoff? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/209 "2004-11-06T14:44:02Z")
[QUOTE=Desmostylus] Pigs fly. Stop trying to be the voice of “shut the fuck up”. [QUOTE] Soo what do you expect to win form this? Do you expect to the GOP Dopers to just surrender to you? Will bush resign? Fat fucking chance. all we can do now is to keep a sharp eye on Bush and his droogs, and urge the Dems in congress to vigorously oppose any neo-con Sc appointments. But this back and forth vilification accomplishes nothing. Hot and sloppy blowjob, think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/210 "2004-11-06T14:47:25Z")
> [@](#): > > all we can do now is to keep a sharp eye on Bush and his droogs, and urge the Dems in congress to vigorously oppose any neo-con Sc appointments. Got no problem with that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/211 "2004-11-06T15:03:25Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Clinton got 3,000 of our best and brightest killed on 9/11 by not going after Bin Laden the three times he could have simply because his advisors deemed it politically inexpedient. A typical fucking lie from you, as you well know. Read Clarke for the real story. There were opportunities to “get” Osama, but they were turned down because either the intel wasn’t solid or because of the high collateral damage that would have been involved. Bush has no such scruples, as \>10,000 Iraqi families could tell you. Bush did, however, turn down several opportunities to get Zarqawi before the Iraq invasion, but turned them down because that would have eliminated a pretext for the invasion. Bush hasn’t even tried to get Osama lately, but his stated rationalization is that Osama just doesn’t matter. Now, tell us just why precisely you choose to believe lies and support those who lie to you? > [@](#): > > This is precisely what Bush is _not_ doing by going after terrorism in the way he is now. If only what he were doing was going after terrorism instead of fomenting it. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/212 "2004-11-06T15:07:02Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > signed Gobear, your Tijuana $2 whore. Sooo, we each get the treatment _twice_? YES!!! But what do the chickdopers get? Oh, and **Desmo** , good to have someone around to fill **Reeder** ’s void. Fuck off. Start a thread about Howard. You know, the guy **YOUR** countrymen elected? What a complete and total assclown you prove yourself to be. Frankly, I’d rather let **Reeder** teabag me than piss on your burning eyeballs. Now that’s saying a lot. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/213 "2004-11-06T15:07:02Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > But the fact is, the obnoxious left on this board ran off a lot of very good, very thoughtful posters who either left the board entirely or simply abandonded Great Debates. More typical whining from someone who still doesn’t get the idea that facts _matter_. There are several persons who have left because of an inability to acknowledge that they didn’t have the facts. There is no reason for those who continually present falsehoods as facts to have their “arguments” get any respect at all. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/214 "2004-11-06T15:09:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I think that edge has come from being called evil, racist, homophobic, bigoted, and an Uncle Tom on this board, with very little rebuttal or defense from others, and apologies later from, I think, no more than two or three of the attackers. > > Yeah, I’d say it’s given me a little edge. But has it ever given you pause to think there just might be a kernel of truth in all those observations? That you maybe aren’t the superevolved life form that you too often present yourself as? That just maybe you, like all the rest of us, share some of the ignorance that this board is devoted to fighting? No, I didn’t think so. Pity. ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/215 "2004-11-06T15:22:24Z")
> [@Steve MB](#): > > > [@Waverly](#): > > > > Let’s put this “largest popular vote” fallacy to bed, shall we?. > > Yes, let’s. It’s the same idiotic nonsense used by Hollywood to hail the latest “all-time record” (as measured in nominal dollars). It’s also true that more people voted _against_ this president than any other president in history. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/216 "2004-11-06T15:28:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So perhaps the next time you see something similar, you’ll consider posting, even if you think the target of the attack doesn’t need it. Because I think I’m on safe grounds in saying that the target of the attack will probably appreciate it. > > - Rick Noted. Sorry about not doing so before. (Guess my 200 posts a year average is about to climb rapidly.) ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/217 "2004-11-06T15:31:19Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I will personally blow everyone in this thread… Even the women? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/218 "2004-11-06T15:54:39Z")
> [@Random](#): > > Even the women? For the peace of this board and the welfare of the nation, no sacrifice is too great. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/219 "2004-11-06T15:55:42Z")
> [@manhattan](#): > > … I didn’t say it was a justification of anything in this thread. I said Senator Kerry said that Hussein had them and that **elucidator** is a lying sack of shit for claiming otherwise. Senator Kerry did, and **elucidator** is, as I established. That’s it. Well, that does clarify things greatly! You’re not even pretending to make any sort of argument or justification, nor are you pretending to have established any telling points regarding our current situation. It is motivated entirely by pique and personal animosity. That’s cool, **Manny**. Knock yourself out. An ego as starved as yours, it would be churlish and mean to deny you this masturbatory glee. I am a generous soul by nature, I can afford it. Its not like you ever had any respect or regard for me to begin with, and the approval of a flaming asshole, such as yourself, is a small enough coin. And one cannot help but note that being a lying sack of shit is not necessarily a negative in your estimation. One particular lying sack of shit has your highest regard. He is your leader, your commander, your paragon. For his lies, thousands are dead, and thousands more will join them. You must be very proud. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850/220 "2004-11-06T16:15:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That’s cool, **Manny**. Knock yourself out. An ego as starved as yours, it would be churlish and mean to deny you this masturbatory glee. Masturbatory glee? With **gobear** ’s offer on the table? I know of very few that are so homophobe they’d turn down a hummer from anyone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-told-you-so/272850.md?page=12)