Saying that my statement in the OP is irrelevant doesn’t make it so, but I can understand why you’d hope.
No, you did not quote me denying that reducing calories will result in weight loss.
This:
is not
It isn’t that in isolation, and it definitely isn’t that in the context of the post you’re quoting, which was a reply to the following question:
in the 3,000 calorie thread that I retitled and added to this thread to explain the counterintuitive idea that fat precedes overeating.
It explains and describes several related things, primarily the mechanism by which becoming fat first drives “overeating” later. But not a single one of them is the idea that no amount of reducing calories will ever result in anyone losing any weight at all. In fact, that particular quote doesn’t even say that Beefy Bob himself won’t lose weight, although it could certainly be inferred - but your inference is not my clear, unambiguous, impossible to misconstrue declaration, now is it?
What it actually says is that Bob’s body will probably start breaking down his muscle and other tissues, (the implication being that he will or may actually end up weighing less than he did before) and that’s exactly what I was explaining: how a person’s regulatory system can be messed up in such a way that a person’s body will misuse the calories it gets, creating fat cells while breaking down muscle. I was describing in “Beefy Bob” a phenomenon observed in rats that are genetically predisposed to obesity: they will in fact lose weight if you starve them enough. But when you open them up after they starve to death, you see that they have starved to death because their bodies destroyed their organs and muscles, rather than use up their fat. (The issue of what the rats and Bob actually weigh hasn’t actually been addressed at all, by the way - this is all about fat itself. But by the time Bob and the rats are on the autopsy table, does it really matter?)
What you have done here is what I see Meyer has done on preview: grabbed every instance of my talking about calories at all, without any regard to the context (the overall context being: “Yes, you can eat low carb and high calorie and lose weight”) and claimed it as an example of my saying “I deny that calorie restriction ever results in weight loss.” Well, that’s simply dishonest.
Starve any living organism for long enough, and they will definitely lose weight. I said it loud and clear at the start of this thread.
In fact, I’ve said it many times. I always acknowledge it, for this reason: ***to keep everyone in the discussion honest. ***(huh? you say… this leads back to the threads that prompted me to post this very thread to begin with! I love it when everything flows and fits…)
In past threads when fat people were being accused of claiming that it was “impossible” to lose weight,*** I **have stepped in to clearly, unambiguously acknowledge that sufficient calorie restriction absolutely will result in weight loss and that this is irrefutably obvious (check out concentration camp footage-I have yet to see a fat prisoner). I don’t believe that any fat person on these boards has ever sincerely tried to sell anyone the idea that it was truly, biologically impossible for them to lose weight no matter what they did, and therefore, to accuse fat people of making such a claim was intellectually dishonest and muddied the debate. *
Hey, hang on a minute…I just realized that this is the same damn bullshit accusation in a new dress! “fat people claim it’s impossible to lose weight!” “stoid claims no amount of calorie restriction results in weight loss!” What’s the goal here, exactly? Lie about what the fat people say so you can discredit them as delusional and dismiss them entirely? Yeah, sounds about right. You guys…tsk tsk…pretty sneaky.
What fat people have said, do say, what*** I*** say, what I’ve said here, what Ancel Keys’ research proved 60 years ago at the same time it proved that reducing calories will make you lose weight, is that it’s a bad way to lose weight, that the more you do it the harder it gets, that it fucks with your metabolism and makes you fatter in the end, hungrier, weaker, more food-obsessed, and that what ***actually is ***pretty damn close to genuinely impossible is for a normal human being to sustain it over a lifetime.
So no, you will not find a single instance of me saying that I believe that no amount of calorie restriction will result in weight loss, because I do not, nor have I ever, believed that to be a true statement, and I do not say things that I do not believe are true, especially such ignorant things - why in the world would I?