Hey, man. Back off of Stoid. She read a BOOK. Well, she read PART OF A BOOK. She knows things, dude. Stop harshing her buzz.
So I decided to look up thermogenics. The first hit was wikipedia which stated:
The rest of the the google results were diet supplements. :dubious:
Then I googled “laws of thermodynamics” and found that all of the results were for gyms, bodybuilding sites, and diet supplements. :rolleyes:
So you want to explain to me how “laws of thermodynamics” is in any way scientifically accurate?
Because he’s desperately trying to gain (no different than a lot of other people who weigh every day) Also, our scale is in a common area, because we were arguing about it’s accuracy one day and making little experiments with items whose weights we knew. Just never moved it…
That is not the result I get when I google laws of thermodynamics or “laws of thermodynamics” in quotation marks.
Educate yourselves!
You must have downloaded the new beta of Google. I don’t have that particular version yet.
I have the Google Beta installed and I didn’t get a bunch of gym or pill advertisements either.
Gotta be in Google Gamma, then…
I certainly can’t prove you over the internet that I don’t have anorexia nervosa and that I eat a large amount of calories for someone my weight. I can’t even prove it to people I know in the real world - they see me eat a lot sometimes, but for all they know I throw it back up on my next trip to the bathroom. I came to terms a long time ago with people assuming that I have an eating disorder based entirely on how much I weigh, it’s pointless to argue over the issue. If you think I’m a liar (or a deluded anorexic)… oh well.
All true. For lots of anorexics a lot of the time. Leading one to question the fundamental truthfulness of anyone suffering from anorexia.
Yet, I live in a world among people carefully selected for exactly this trait: honesty. Genuineness. Sincerity. The mother and father of this child are my closest friends for nearly my entire life, and I know their children and how they were raised. So I can tell you that this child is inherently very honest because she learned early what an effective way it is to live. Her therapist and nutritionist both find her unusually truthful and have made that point to her mother. Her family intervened extremely early in the process and so far there has been no hint of dishonesty- at most, refusal to state what she doesn’t want to (to her mother, where there’s more conflict, of course). But she’s never been caught in a lie or deceptive act yet.
So other people may think and act differently, but since honesty is the only thing that’s been seen so far, it would be grossly unfair and disrespectful, as well as unhelpful, to simply assume that this girl lies because other people lie. In fact, it would be grotesque.
YMMV.
Taubes talks about this at length. In fact, chapters 6&7 are titled “Thermodynamics For Dummies” parts 1 and 2. The second half of the book is called “Adiposity 101” and explains what he calls “the laws of adiposity”, giving an in-depth explanation of how this all works, and does not work, to make some of us fat while others remain lean, and how it is not a starightforward matter of X calories consumed vs. expended, and how in fact, that’s actually a completely illogical way to view it, in light of what we know about how the body actually works.
and then several pages go on to explain this. It’s from the first of the two chapters on TD.
The second chapter addresses the fundamental flaw in treating the two parts of the energy equation as having no effect on each other and talks about research done in 2007 on animals:
Then, in the Laws of adiposity he says:
Good ol’ science. Love that stuff.
Sorry, I meant “laws of thermogenics” which is what Submerged said. Try that one and see what you get.
Nor do I think you reduce a biological system down to the laws of physics.
I didn’t say I wasn’t keeping track of how much I eat, I said I wasn’t counting calories anymore. I’m shifting to a low carb eating plan. I will be keeping y’all updated on my progress.
Incorrect. See previous.
I’ve known that guy. He drives me crazy. I used to live with him. 
What “Law of Thermogenics” would that be, exactly? With all due respect, the fact that you don’t apparently really have the most fundamental understanding of what it is is you think you’re talking about, as evidence by the fact you don’t even know what its actually called, undermines your arguments and assertions about what is and is not preposterous entirely.
See my prior post.
FYI, there are three laws of thermodynamics, but it is only the first one that is the one people refer to in this context. It says that energy is neither created or destroyed but can only change from one form to another. In other words, if something gets bigger or smaller, more or less energy has to enter it than leave it.
Taubes:
And if anyone wants to understand this…read the book! If it could be summarized in a post, a book wouldn’t have been necessary to begin with… sheesh.
And you were both incorrect, reflecting how both of you don’t actually understand at all what you think you understand.
So, what else is immune from the laws of physics, just so we’re clear?
Here’s what we absolutely know:
Food contains energy. If you consume food, you are either going to get the energy from the food or not. If you get the energy from the food, you either have to store it or burn it. If you don’t get the energy from the food, you need to excrete it. It is not possible for the energy to be consumed and then not excreted, not burned, and not stored. It’s got to be one of the three.
Any anecdote that doesn’t account for one of the three is suspect, at best. Just as anecdotes that say that someone knows someone who can fly or walk through walls or make himself invisible.
Yes. If a person eats 100 calories worth of food, then they are going to burn it as energy, store it as fat/convert it to tissue, or excrete it as waste.
And nothing about that actually explains anything at all about why Person A burns it, Person B turns it into fat, and Person C poops it.
You canna change the laws of physics, Captain!
Obviously, I meant “thermodynamics”. Missed the edit window by 10 seconds.
And it still makes no difference, because the first law of thermodynamics only tells us that our food becomes energy, tissue or poop. It doesn’t tell us why it becomes which one.
Oh, we’ll find out how when we get to the end of the thread!
It doesn’t matter.
If someone is pooping out their food instead of digesting it, they have some sort of disorder or disease. Are you claiming your anorexic friend has a some kind of digestive disease now?