# I want to offer a contrarian take on this story: BLAME THE WOMAN MOM **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 22, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686 "2021-05-22T12:46:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/141 "2021-05-24T14:24:45Z")
I see that you are unfamiliar with Atlanta league tennis (ALTA). At least at the time of this incident there were lots of actual fights over tennis matches. What if he had just beaten me up. Or smashed up my car a bit? Where is this crap coming from? How about a fist pump? Could that trigger someone? ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/142 "2021-05-24T14:30:49Z")
I believe that DavidNRockies wants to live in Mayfield and I say “Golly Gee Whillikers, that’s a fine idea!” In the meantime, in the real world, flipping someone off warrants zero blame when the flippee starts shooting. Zero. I’m sitting in my chair right now flipping off both the shooter and their partial defenders in this thread. Good hunting! “If only you hadn’t worn that mini-skirt and bright-red lipstick, you might not have been raped.” :gag: ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/143 "2021-05-24T14:49:49Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I believe that DavidNRockies wants to live in Mayfield and I say “Golly Gee Whillikers, that’s a fine idea!” Was that supposed to be Mayberry? Or an obscure reference to the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/144 "2021-05-24T14:57:16Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Where is this crap coming from? Maybe it’s as relatively simple as trying to better understand the world we actually live in, and trying to figure out how we want to behave, given those realities. So that we make it home. So that we are **not** “dead right.” I’d put the same question to you, though: are you going to raise your kids to flip off every single driver that they encounter … simply because … if one of them **happens to be deranged and kills your child as a result** … it won’t be your child’s fault ? If you want to (basically) characterize anybody having a thoughtful discussion about this as victim blamers and rape-enablers, well, I guess I can take it to absurd extremes, too. But … why ? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/145 "2021-05-24T15:02:42Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@DMC](#): > > > > I believe that DavidNRockies wants to live in Mayfield and I say “Golly Gee Whillikers, that’s a fine idea!” > > Was that supposed to be Mayberry? Or an obscure reference to the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns? I immediately recognized Mayfield as the town where Theodore “Beaver” Cleaver and his family lived. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/146 "2021-05-24T15:12:02Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > If you want to (basically) characterize anybody having a thoughtful discussion about this as victim blamers and rape-enablers, well, I guess I can take it to absurd extremes, too. People who want to have thoughtful discussions about flipping people off _in a thread about someone murdered by a lunatic_ are victim blamers and rape-enablers. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/147 "2021-05-24T15:13:07Z")
Okay. So … **[Proof by Assertion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion)**. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/148 "2021-05-24T15:15:11Z")
What a strange, strange hill to decide to destroy one’s own SDMB reputation on . . . ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/149 "2021-05-24T15:17:08Z")
If what **I have said** in this thread “destroys my reputation,” then maybe my assessment of SDMB was flawed. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/150 "2021-05-24T15:18:47Z")
I’ve been here for around 13 years, and I’m pretty sure that any flavor of victim blaming has had been treated with pretty widespread derision for most of that time. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/151 "2021-05-24T15:18:54Z")
@DavidNRockies I wasn’t thinking of you when I wrote that. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/152 "2021-05-24T15:19:45Z")
Me then? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/153 "2021-05-24T15:20:26Z")
This quoting thing can be troublesome. Thanks for the clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/154 "2021-05-24T15:20:30Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > I immediately recognized Mayfield as the town where Theodore “Beaver” Cleaver and his family lived. Ah… Got it. 👍 I used to watch that show but I don’t remember their town being emphasized that much, unlike _The Andy Griffith Show_ where the town is practically the real mean character. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/155 "2021-05-24T15:24:48Z")
Without conceding anything on the substance of the arguments, I apologize for some of my intemperate language in this thread. I realize that this is the pit, but still… ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/156 "2021-05-24T15:24:51Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Okay. So … **[Proof by Assertion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion)**. Got it. I’ll come back with a rigorous proof based on axiomatic logic. Because “vicitim blaming” is totally a concept that lends itself to such an approach. Please hold your breath while you wait. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/157 "2021-05-24T15:26:26Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I apologize for some of my intemperate language in this thread. Fucking right you do. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/158 "2021-05-24T15:28:24Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Fucking right you do. 🖕 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/159 "2021-05-24T15:29:26Z")
Run, **DMC** ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-offer-a-contrarian-take-on-this-story-blame-the-woman-mom/942686/160 "2021-05-24T15:31:07Z")
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