I was cold-read by a pyschic - how'd he do it?

But Kanicbird, even if we stipulate for the moment that such things as demons exist and that they are able to provide information to people, wouldn’t you suspect that in the vast majority of cases the “psychic” simply uses clever tricks that are no more miraculous than the methods a used car salesman employs?

Or to put it another way, you do realize when you see a magic show, they don’t need a demon to tell them which card you picked, they know what card you picked by a simple trick? You don’t suspect demons if your uncle pulls a quarter from your ear, do you?

Yes, one reason is Jesus Himself talked so many times about demons/evil spirits as I find it impossible to accept Jesus without accepting the existance of demons/evil spirits.

I believe when one starts venturing into the occult, even casually, or just for fun, one opens oneself up to the possibility of a evil spirit entering, though it is not assured. The more one participates the greater the chance that a evil spirit will latch on.

Also you have the participants, such as Anaamika, lets just say that the psychic was just doing it for fun, no evil spirit involved, and just happened to get it correct. This could open Anaamika to the occult and evil spirits.

But I think most of the professional psychic do take on evil spirits/demons fairly quickly and it’s not ‘smoke and mirrors’.

I don’t put magic shows in the same category. God provides a method to gain supernatural information, psychics bypass the way God provides, magicians don’t.

I don’t believe in evil spirits, demons, or gods. Or pyschics. So I’m fairly sure I’m not vulunerable to any of them. Thanks, though, kanicbird.

Have to second the luck aspect as the most likely scenario. He made a guess it worked, hence you’re mystified and posting. The other 10 he guessed wrong with and didnt get a hit for arent posting here, figuratively speaking.

Every time a psychic has been objectively tested they’ve done no better than chance. Its just that chance means they’re going to do spectacularly well sometimes, and thats the times we take note of.

Without the specific guesses its hard to say much more.

Otara

Cold readers never do. They tend rather to make statements and judge reactions, or say things that could be a question or a statement, and they will pretend it was the former if it is a miss, and the latter if it was a hit.

He was professionally disinterested. He heard you, though, you can bet on that.

Two of the keys to this are that he was (a) at the party for two hours beforehand and (b) he did lots of other readings of friends and family. He will have gained an absolute wealth of hot reading material over that time.

Don’t fall into the trap of thinking that magicians don’t use blatantly “underhanded*” methods: they do. It’s common in this context to hear people say, with reference to some possible blunt and crude and deceitful* method a magician may have used to pull off a magic or mentalist trick, “Oh, but I’m sure he won’t have done it like that, there must be something more subtle.” No, there probably isn’t. But the magician wants you to believe there was.

*Necessary disclaimer based on past experience: when I use words like “deceitful” and “underhanded” in this context, I don’t mean to diss magicians and what they do. Leaving aside financial frauds like Browne etc, they are entertainers and they fool us because we want them to and find it fun. It’s just that there are no good words that mean “lying and cheating and fooling but in a good, fun way”!

From the ‘Randi site’

Just running down this with a person I knew I got 5 trues and 10 false statements.

You needn’t worry, I am not in the least inclined to believe there’s anything to it. I just wanted it broken down, as it has been very nicely in this thread. Thanks all.

Compare that to this analysis of the hit rate of supposed professional psychic John Edward. You will see that the analysis gives various hit rates for differents sorts of readings and in different contexts. However, overall, your 33% hit rate is freakin’ excellent for a guy from a message board asking a friend some questions, with no experience in how to cold read. You’re not quite up to John Edward all of the time, but frankly either you’re psychic or glee’s onto something.

I know my guess.

And indeed according to this website Van Praagh’s hit rate is 20-30% and Edward’s is only 10-20%. You’re a psychic genius, kanicbird!

Or possessed by demons.

Is this a whoosh? That book is about script reading for actors.

Jim meant this one, I think.

I recommend the Staff Report (already cited, but I’ll cite it again): Straight Dope Staff Report: How come TV psychics seem so convincing on cold readings, and also Ian Rowland’s book (he’s our own ianzin.)

One other factor that hasn’t been mentioned: you were at a party. The guest list and type of party and the host’s social/economic status would give additional clues to the astute cold-reader. You’re a friend of the host, therefore presumably of the same social/economic status (how you’re dressed can be a clue here, as well.) So, he’s not just looking at your age bracket.

Plus, you say you answered minimally, so he knows right away that you’re skeptical and he doesn’t do anything obvious like ask questions. (If he did ask questions, they’d be phrased in the negative, I bet, so that whatever you answer seems like a hit on his part: “You’re not involved with dogs, are you?” is a hit regardless of whether you answer yes or no.)

Perhaps the evil demonic spirit was messing about? :eek:

In my Psychology class in high school, the teacher handed out folded slips of paper with cold reading statements to various people in class, all of which were spot on. Two of my favorites were “People underestimate you” and “You don’t have enough sex.” Not too many seventeen-year-olds feel overestimated or oversexed. Not too many middle-aged people either.

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He says in the beginning that he is using common psychic techniques, and that he’s being fake, then he does the act but there is no explanation at all of what those techniques are or how he got the responses he did.

He doesn’t use ‘psychic techniques’ (whatever they are).

He uses magic, suggestion, showmanship, misdirection and psychology.

Sorry, Princhester’s link is the right one. I was being careless and clicked the first link I saw.

ETA: it’s pretty clear that when Derren Brown says “psychic techniques” he means “techniques that so-called ‘psychics’ use”.

Of course, if that’s your worldview, then that’s all you can call it. I believe that psi is real, and hence I would say that psi was a part of what you experienced.

Of course, someone who is doing a reading wants to be right and will also use every “ordinary” method to try to be right: pretty much the things that cold readers are said to do, such as reading body language, etc., combined with basic reasoning and observation skills. I don’t think there is any way to divide such mundane methods from truly “psychic” methods.

It’s all a big slush of reading people, intuition, and psi. Even if mentalists say they don’t believe in psi and are totally using mundane methods to achieve their effects, they can’t turn off their own psi mental functioning, which everyone has to one degree or another.

I do Tarot a lot for a lot of people and mix in the psychic impressions I get. I also offer basic reasoning and my own worldview. (Example: “Should I go live in City X?” “Well, do you want to live in City X?)” Both the readings and impressions have as their basis explicit facts about the sitter (either stated or observed) plus what I can easily extrapolate. The goal is to get to the truth and help the sitter, not prove that the paranormal exists. If a reading accomplishes its goal and yet the amount of actual psi used to achieve that goal ends up being zero, then so be it.

I looked at the link to the artical about John Edward, and although it said the show tends to edit out mistakes, it did not say that the hit rate he ends up with is unimpressive or dismissable. It also did not go into any detail how such a high hit rate is possible with cold reading.

I read a Larry King interview with Edward that jibes with my own experiences of how psi works. He said that the departed don’t just sit there and talk to him. Rather, they seem to be in his presence and send him impressions. Some are clearer than others. Hence, sometimes he comes up with an initial, sometimes a full name, etc. That is what happens to me. To me there seem to be three axes. There is the degree to which I feel a given impression is the truth; there is the degree of clarity of a given impression; and then there is the degree to which the impression gives useful or differentiated information.

The first point has to do with what may be called “psychic discernment.” If a psychic mixes in too many false impressions with the true, then s/he has no discernment and will appear merely as a person with a wild imagination sometimes getting a hit by chance. I will say, however, that I think every psychic now and then will get a strong impression that seems true but nevertheless is not.

So, a psychic with good discernment will be dealing with mostly correct impressions with varying degrees of clarity and usefulness. Let me give some examples about Einstein’s lost memoirs (merely a hypothetical object) are located.

I might get a very clear impression of Einstein in his study; I feel like I’m really there. But if I just see him writing or doing something ordinary, then I have no new information to present about the memoirs or anything else. Clear but not useful.

On the other hand, I might, for example get an impression of the documents being somewhere in Eastern Europe. Not so clear but slightly more useful.

Finally, I might get a very clear, differentiated impression: The street address of the building where the docs are located. A “big hit,” as it were.

Psychics are human and aren’t necessarily any wiser than anyone else. I think John Edward is making a typical mistake: Expecting (and promising, in effect) a great performance all the time. Hence, he is forced to make the most of every little impression he gets, lowering his hit rate and making himself look like more of a cold reader than he is. An analogous situation is a stock guru who always has to have a pick, even if there is nothing at the time that particularly impresses him/her.

I think a lot of the talk about cold reading assumes that psychics are “other”–“they” are pulling tricks–how did “he” do it? But the kind of impressions that psychics use are, at base, the same mental data–whether of psychic origin or otherwise–that we all experience and use to achieve our goals on a daily basis. So, if we drop the accusatory “cold,” “reading” is something we all do; it is merely one’s worldview and native talents that will determine how “psychic” one is willing or able to be.

As for psi, I believe it’s been proved beyond a doubt in the laboratory. Skeptics have a script to counter this, and the argument ends up being a very recondite one about statistics. But the line I saw in this thread that psychics (or even ordinary people) never do better than chance is ignorant or misinformed at best; the argument is in fact about whether it means anything when they do do better than chance.

Aeschines, though I tend towards the occam’s razor end of the argument, I have no ‘script’ myself; I am genuinely interested in the subject, but I’ve never seen any “beyond doubt” laboratory proof of psi. Have you got something you could show me that indicates this?