# "I was not aware I'm supposed to hate that." **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 8, 2008, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217 "2008-12-08T07:32:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/81 "2008-12-09T04:43:12Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Oh. > > Well, now I feel kind of douchey. :smack: More Than A Feeling. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/82 "2008-12-09T04:58:42Z")
I love Bon Jovi & Dane Cook unironically. And while Ctrl-Alt-Del is not one of my regular webcomics, I respect his willingness to mix weird humor & serious subject matter (which pisses off people who annoy me). I don’t care that I’m supposed to hate them. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/83 "2008-12-09T05:03:21Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Maybe this is passé now, but prog rock got on the Official Shitlist and nobody can really explain why. If it isn’t The Who or Pink Floyd it’s supposed to be pretentious crap (as if banging on a guitar and screaming for a minute fifteen and calling it a song isn’t) and everyone is supposed to deride its wankery. I guess a fugue is their personal hell. > > Electronic music is almost precisely the same way, except instead of being ‘wanky’ liking it automatically means you’re a club kid or a raver. The Official Shitlist apparently makes no distinction between Donna Summer and Squarepusher. I’m a fan of the Church. I must be doubly uncool. > [@](#): > > (This is likely OT, but I’ve never heard a cogent argument against Objectivism. Everyone just seems to insult Ayn Rand.) Hey, I’m a Steve Ditko fan, & Objectivism scares me. I liked Mr. A’s talk-villains-to-death M.O., tho’. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/84 "2008-12-09T05:22:21Z")
> [@WarmNPrickly](#): > > I agree completely. With respect to the Olive Garden, I’d much rather go to a nice local italian restraunt. A local place will have a variety I don’t know and a less bland flavor. Also, the local Italian restaurant is likely cheaper than the Olive Garden. If you need a really good reason to hate Olive Garden, hate it because it’s way overpriced for what you get. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/85 "2008-12-09T05:41:58Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I don’t care that I’m supposed to hate them. (Not picking on you here foolsguinea, I think I may have created a misunderstanding and your post is the most recent). That’s kinda the point of the thread, stuff you like, but found out that, for whatever reason it’s completely hated. The post above about all the stuff not being bad but really just “mediocre” is the point, the stuff ISN’T terrible, but it’s met with a seething hatred for no given reason other than it is there to mock and is possibly an easy target because it’s not quite as popular as the competition (or “it’s popular now it sucks,” either way). ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/86 "2008-12-09T06:11:12Z")
After reading the thread on last night’s Simpsons episodes, it seems like the Simpsons are also now one of those things I’m “supposed to hate.” I don’t get people who watch the show out of habit and nitpick every episode to death. I watch it to put my brain in neutral and idle it for awhile. I expect to be entertained, and still am for the most part, after 20 years. I definitely don’t feel the hate at all. ---
**Author:** ![DKW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dkw/32/3118_2.png) [@DKW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DKW)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/87 "2008-12-09T07:56:30Z")
I _never_ understood the vitrol against Vanilla Ice, let alone the sheer lengths some people have gone to mock and ridicule him at every turn. From what I’ve seen of his career, he’s one of hundreds of musical flashes in the pan to hit it huge briefly then completely fizzle out. Shoot, the Spice Girls never got this kind of derision, and they lasted a LOT longer. I completely don’t get all the hatred of Michael Moore, here more than anywhere. Nearly everything he’s done has been completely on-target, and the overwhelming majority of the things he “made up” were ridiculously petty details that had nothing to do with the main message. For crying out loud, you _support_ George W. Bush? Not only don’t I understand all the hatred for Michelle Wie, I don’t even see what’s so unusual here. It’s bizarre for an inexperienced, overhyped athlete with all the pressure in the world _not_ to have at least one monumentally sucky season. Dear lord, have we been _that_ spoiled by Michael Phelps? They take their lumps, they grumble a bit, they learn, and they come back stronger than ever. As for The Beatles…maybe it’s lingering bias from the most recent American Idol and that enormously entertaining Cirque du Soleil show I saw a few weeks back, but I don’t see why anyone now should harbor extreme hatred _or_ love for them. From what I’ve heard, they had lots of catchy, fun, listenable rock 'n roll with brief forays into the sociopolitical (which, let’s face it, was all but unavoidable for any prominent band in the late 60’s). They were my parent’s equivalent of Dire Straits, Huey Lewis and the News, or The Vapors, no more, no less. (And while I admittedly don’t know the whole story, I’m also a bit puzzled as to the hatred this Yoko Ono character has generated…from what I heard, she at most sped up the inevitable.) ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/88 "2008-12-09T08:24:16Z")
> [@DKW](#): > > I completely don’t get all the hatred of Michael Moore, here more than anywhere. Nearly everything he’s done has been completely on-target, and the overwhelming majority of the things he “made up” were ridiculously petty details that had nothing to do with the main message. For crying out loud, you _support_ George W. Bush? You ever see a person who is nominally on your side, but is so annoying and loud and skeezy you honestly wish he was working for the opposition? That’s Michael Moore for a lot of people. He’s a gigantic blowhard who makes things up to punch up his documentaries. Whether you think those things are minor is beside the point: We’ve been trained from a young age to think documentaries are sacred and that adding fiction to them is simple lying. Asking if we support GWB because we don’t like Michael Moore sounds like something Moore would do, which is another reason people don’t like him: He tends towards demagoguery and oversimplification. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/89 "2008-12-09T09:15:53Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > _Armageddon_. The movie. Yes, I enjoyed it. I don’t own it on DVD or anything like that. But I watched it on HBO. Twice, even. And I don’t have the urge to request my time watching it to be added back onto my life. But from the hate I commonly read on the Dope for this movie, you’d think it was the worst film ever made. In fairness, you’re talking about a movie based on the idea that it’s easier to teach oil drillers to travel to outer space than it is to teach astronauts to work a drill.:rolleyes: But don’t listen to me. I own three albums by Matchbox Twenty, so I’m clearly a tool. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/90 "2008-12-09T10:19:24Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > That was kind of the last straw for me. I’d been leaning out the door on the comic because of some of the criticisms I’d read of it, and had to admit they had a point. It’s more a case of reevaluating something I’d been reading mostly out of habit and seeing it through fresh eyes. But the miscarriage thing was just unearned pathos, out of place in the comic and incompetently written. Haven’t been back since. Ah! I finally get what [Yahtzee](http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/108-Webcomics) was referring to now. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/91 "2008-12-09T12:58:08Z")
Tom Cruise. I think he’s a very good actor and I really enjoy his movies. Is he a nutbag? I don’t care. Has he kidnapped his wife? I don’t know, and I shouldn’t. I like his goddam movies. And he’s purdy to look at. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/92 "2008-12-09T13:11:28Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > You ever see a person who is nominally on your side, but is so annoying and loud and skeezy you honestly wish he was working for the opposition? That’s Michael Moore for a lot of people. He’s a gigantic blowhard who makes things up to punch up his documentaries. Whether you think those things are minor is beside the point: We’ve been trained from a young age to think documentaries are sacred and that adding fiction to them is simple lying. Asking if we support GWB because we don’t like Michael Moore sounds like something Moore would do, which is another reason people don’t like him: He tends towards demagoguery and oversimplification. Exactly why I hate Michael Moore. And Richard Dawkins too. Even if you have truth and logic on your side, that’s no reason to be a total asshole. I’m drifting away from CAD not because of the miscarriage storyline but because it’s generally becoming less funny, and the “Choose Your Own Storyline” thing is irritating. I don’t hate it with a burning loathing though. ---
**Author:** ![WarmNPrickly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d78d45/32.png) [@WarmNPrickly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WarmNPrickly)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/93 "2008-12-09T13:34:18Z")
I liked Starship Troopers (The Movie). I will never read the book. ---
**Author:** ![Lanzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/94 "2008-12-09T13:40:45Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > ABBA. I’ve always loved ABBA, despite that ridiculous amount of ridicle I’ve received for it. > > With the phenominal success of “Mamma Mia!” I’m sure they are crying all the way to the bank. I’m not supposed to like the greatist group of all time? I never knew. My kids probably laugh behind my back. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/95 "2008-12-09T13:42:23Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > But don’t listen to me. I own three albums by Matchbox Twenty, so I’m clearly a tool. Yourself or Someone Like You is the best album of the last 15 years. I await the day when the musical snobs realize that. Oh, and they will, they will. ---
**Author:** ![BlackNGold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@BlackNGold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackNGold)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/96 "2008-12-09T13:54:43Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > Pleats on slacks. I don’t particularly care for them, but as long as the trousers aren’t too tight for the person wearing them, I don’t think they look that horrible, either. Wow. I had no idea until this moment that I was supposed to hate those. Now I know why it takes me so long to shop for a pair of pants. To me, a flat front looks like you should be renting out advertising space on your pelvis. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/97 "2008-12-09T16:47:57Z")
Thomas Kinkaide paintings. If you like them, you like them. Ok, they’re brightly colored and unrealistic. Should I instead hang a picture of a Campbell’s Soup can on my wall? Is that art? Is it?? ---
**Author:** ![Atomicflea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Atomicflea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atomicflea)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/98 "2008-12-09T16:53:42Z")
> [@davidw](#): > > Disco Seconded. Specifically the Bee Gees. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/99 "2008-12-09T17:45:14Z")
The first time I saw Dane Cook it was his standup routine (the one where the audience surrounds him and he moves around a lot) I thought it was a pretty good standup routine. The second time I saw him was that movie about him working in a Shopping Center and trying to win the heart of Jessica Simpson. I thought that was a pretty enjoyable movie. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217/100 "2008-12-09T18:01:49Z")
Alright… I’ve always kept quiet about it… But I secretly like Kid Rock. I went to one of his live shows, way back in like 2002 or so, before he was making the more rock heavy albums he’s been doing, and he blew me away with how he played every instrument, the turntables, and did a medley of Motown classics from Detroit along with Cat scratch fever and a few other D hits. Also, I really liked the honesty he sorta put out there in “Black chick, White guy” (it might be the reverse title but still). I hadn’t really heard that sorta openness out there by an artist before. Of course that was back in 2000 when it was cool to like nu-metal and artists like him. But since then, people seem to REALLY hate the guy, and he IS cocky and a show-off and a lot of the other things people level at the guy- but for some reason, I still really enjoy his MUSIC. Don’t really care about the personal issues and life, as long as he makes enjoyable music and backs it up with fun live shows. (picked up Live Trucker on a whim, as I had all the songs on the album, but it was 5 bucks- it’s now one of my most played albums, as it’s quite different than just the album versions). So yeah… I liked him, and then I was supposed to hate him I suppose, I just never did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-was-not-aware-im-supposed-to-hate-that/476217.md?page=6)