# "I will take what is mine with fire and blood" Threat or fan T-shirt? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 22, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682 "2014-04-22T13:59:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/41 "2014-04-22T16:55:04Z")
Sparing those young women who have not known a man by lying with him, as suitable prospects for concubines? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/42 "2014-04-22T17:04:50Z")
The funny thing about stories like this is that NO ONE ever seems to be on the pro-zero-tolerance side. I mean, there are plenty of issues where I’m 100% sure that I’m right and then, holy crap, 20% of the population disagrees with me. People will believe and support all sorts of crazy beliefs and positions. But where’s the 20% of the population that agrees that this was a reasonable decision? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/43 "2014-04-22T17:18:09Z")
They are staying out of this thread so they won’t be spoiled. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/44 "2014-04-22T17:23:31Z")
In the end, the dwarf rules the world, and the Reverse Cowgirl becomes the official position. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/45 "2014-04-22T17:30:35Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > The funny thing about stories like this is that NO ONE ever seems to be on the pro-zero-tolerance side. I mean, there are plenty of issues where I’m 100% sure that I’m right and then, holy crap, 20% of the population disagrees with me. People will believe and support all sorts of crazy beliefs and positions. But where’s the 20% of the population that agrees that this was a reasonable decision? I don’t think we get their kind here. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/46 "2014-04-22T17:30:46Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > . . . Why the security officer thinks “fire” is code speak for AK-47s specifically, I can’t imagine. > Perhaps he’s read the books and is dropping a spoiler? . . . Shrug. He could have been placed in a position where his choices were to blow off the dean as clueless or support the dean with a really weak support - the only kind of support that was available. Supporting the dean looks a little foolish, but it’s anonymous. Undermining the dean could have been career limiting. And it could be out of context. There could have been previous questions, in which he did dismiss the danger. If the reporter kept asking how it could possibly be interpreted as dangerous, he might have eventually made an unlikely speculation. Inquiring minds just don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/47 "2014-04-22T17:39:59Z")
Educators & employers unfamiliar with popular TV? What’s new? Reminds me of an attempted intervention about me when I wore a T-Shirt from the Avenue Q musical which said, “It Sucks To Be Me”. Al of a sudden, that t-shirt classified me as manic depressive and suicidal. 😃 How the “fire” = AK-47s is beyond me in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/48 "2014-04-22T17:50:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > the Reverse Cowgirl becomes the official position. Well, that’s just common sense. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/49 "2014-04-22T17:53:31Z")
May I suggest [Winnie the Pooh](http://www.mayastudio.es/badday.php) instead? Or Tweety Bird… Maybe the school administrators will be familiar with those characters, you know. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/50 "2014-04-22T18:52:11Z")
What medication is currently prescribed for Eeyore? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/51 "2014-04-22T18:59:55Z")
Just wanted to add that _"I will take what is mine with fire and blood_ sounds pretty much like how I’d order steak fajitas. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/52 "2014-04-22T20:21:34Z")
> [@](#): > > “The word ‘fire’ could be a proxy for AK-47s.” It could also be a proxy for what should happen to morons. No wonder he found it threatening. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/53 "2014-04-22T20:41:54Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > The funny thing about stories like this is that NO ONE ever seems to be on the pro-zero-tolerance side. I mean, there are plenty of issues where I’m 100% sure that I’m right and then, holy crap, 20% of the population disagrees with me. People will believe and support all sorts of crazy beliefs and positions. But where’s the 20% of the population that agrees that this was a reasonable decision? As far as I can tell, the only people who are in favor of zero tolerance policies are school boards and school administrations. Everyone else, liberals and conservatives alike, seem to view them with justified contempt. Why boards and admins are so in love with zero tolerance, I don’t know. Could be a fear of lawsuits, a desire not to have to use judgement, both, or something else. The sad thing is, although they are a tiny minority of people, they have a lot of power in schools and can really mess up people’s lives. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/54 "2014-04-22T21:02:03Z")
This is like the show community with the inept president and the psycho security guard. ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/55 "2014-04-22T21:26:12Z")
Okay, if _Putin_ wore one of these I might be _slightly_ :eek: and 😕 but WTH, School Administration? Even if you NEVER HEARD of _GoT_, you need to grab a clue and hang on tight! _:completely disgusted:_ ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/56 "2014-04-22T21:40:51Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Why boards and admins are so in love with zero tolerance, I don’t know. Could be a fear of lawsuits, a desire not to have to use judgement, both, or something else. It means they don’t have to think or exercise judgement. It means no one ever has to take responsibility for stupid decisions like this. No matter what happens, it’s the policy’s fault, and there’s nothing they can do about it. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/57 "2014-04-22T21:50:27Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > As far as I can tell, the only people who are in favor of zero tolerance policies are school boards and school administrations. Everyone else, liberals and conservatives alike, seem to view them with justified contempt. Why boards and admins are so in love with zero tolerance, I don’t know. Could be a fear of lawsuits, a desire not to have to use judgement, both, or something else. The sad thing is, although they are a tiny minority of people, they have a lot of power in schools and can really mess up people’s lives. The problem in this case (well, the even worse problem) is that whatever this zero tolerance policy was, it was clearly one that had a lot of actual personal interpretation built into it. So you have a zero tolerance policy for threats of violence? Fine. But some person has to be involved in deciding what is and is not a threat of violence. Meaning that there’s a judgment call involved, meaning that calling it a zero tolerance policy in the first place is just kind of silly. (I guess the only benefit is that you can pretend that your hands were tied, when of course in a situation like this, they weren’t.) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/58 "2014-04-22T21:52:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > This is like the show community with the inept president and the psycho security guard. You make Baby Dan Harmon cry. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/59 "2014-04-22T23:19:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What medication is currently prescribed for Eeyore? Depends. How long have you had it? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/60 "2014-04-22T23:48:24Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > It means they don’t have to think or exercise judgement. It means no one ever has to take responsibility for stupid decisions like this. No matter what happens, it’s the policy’s fault, and there’s nothing they can do about it. To be fair, when bad shit actually does happen at schools, I’m sure there are a lot of lawsuits and accusations directed at the administrators for lack of preventive measures. So, zero tolerance is probably as much (or more so?) about _appearing_ to be taking action against possible threats as actually preventing trouble. They’re covering their arses. Personally, I deplore zero tolerance policies. > [@a35362](#): > > _:completely disgusted:_ Just thought I’d add that, turned on its side, that kinda looks like a vomitting smiley. So, quite appropriate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682.md?page=4)