# "I will take what is mine with fire and blood" Threat or fan T-shirt? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 22, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682 "2014-04-22T13:59:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/61 "2014-04-23T02:58:58Z")
It could stand for an AK47??? :smack: He has to prove what GoT is??? :smack: Jesus on rollerskates, the unrelenting stupidity… if we could only harness that power for good… Daenrys’ backside??? Well, my forehead is not what I’d be smacking 😛 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/62 "2014-04-23T12:48:04Z")
I so want to get [this shirt](http://tshirtspotlight.com/wp-content/uploads/catablog/thumbnails/Kill%20All%20Humans%20(Digital%20Print%20Tee).jpg). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/63 "2014-04-23T13:33:54Z")
The real story here is that he was suspended for spoilering the show. Not everyone has seen that episode yet. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/64 "2014-04-23T14:26:32Z")
If we outlaw dragons, only outlaws will have dragons. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/65 "2014-04-23T15:47:33Z")
Something I’ve never understood about zero tolerance policies. I keep hearing about how schools adopt them out of fear of lawsuits, but I don’t understand how these policies make lawsuits less likely. Certainly, if my kid were expelled from school because he had a Tylenol in his backpack, I’d be on the phone to a lawyer the minute I heard. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/66 "2014-04-23T16:34:36Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > As far as I can tell, the only people who are in favor of zero tolerance policies are school boards and school administrations. Everyone else, liberals and conservatives alike, seem to view them with justified contempt. Why boards and admins are so in love with zero tolerance, I don’t know. Could be a fear of lawsuits, a desire not to have to use judgement, both, or something else. The sad thing is, although they are a tiny minority of people, they have a lot of power in schools and can really mess up people’s lives. The people in favor of these zero tolerance laws/rules are probably some sort of neo-troglodytes without internet access or HBO. That, or they’re people easily worked up by moral panics and other silly things, and decide that “OMG! Kids might have guns! We better ban everything that might be remotely construed as violent!” without actually thinking it through, and then when things like this happen, they go “Oh, that’s just stupid.” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/67 "2014-04-23T17:49:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Something I’ve never understood about zero tolerance policies. I keep hearing about how schools adopt them out of fear of lawsuits, but I don’t understand how these policies make lawsuits less likely. Certainly, if my kid were expelled from school because he had a Tylenol in his backpack, I’d be on the phone to a lawyer the minute I heard. Yes, but it will be the _district_ that gets sued, not the administrator. Zero-tolerance rules serve to deflect blame from an individual to an institution, providing cover for the incompetent and guilty alike. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/68 "2014-04-23T20:42:28Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > May I suggest [Winnie the Pooh](http://www.mayastudio.es/badday.php) instead? . . . . Not an approved Disney [drawing](http://athousandbeginningsnano.blogspot.com/2014/01/because-someone-didnt-remember.html). Making a shirt could introduce you to a different kind of zero tolerance. Don’t mess with the mouse. ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/69 "2014-04-24T01:25:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But I still say the T-shirt is a clue, because I can’t recall a single mass murderer, or prospective mass murderer, that advertised his plans in advance by ordering custom T-shirts announcing his affinity for slaughter. I suppose we might postulate a mass murderer in the planning stages who sought to camouflage his intent by ordering a shirt and relying on just that sort of inference… (“If i really meant to do it, I wouldn’t have this shirt, now would I?”) Maybe not a mass murderer, but how about an accused [murderer](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kansas-man-charged-with-murder-wants-neck-tattoo-removed/). ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/70 "2014-04-24T01:58:06Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Not an approved Disney [drawing](http://athousandbeginningsnano.blogspot.com/2014/01/because-someone-didnt-remember.html). Making a shirt could introduce you to a different kind of zero tolerance. Don’t mess with the mouse. And when did the mouse buy Tweety? Or, go for one of the more generic princesses and fairy godmothers. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/71 "2014-04-24T03:27:31Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Not an approved Disney [drawing](http://athousandbeginningsnano.blogspot.com/2014/01/because-someone-didnt-remember.html). Making a shirt could introduce you to a different kind of zero tolerance. Don’t mess with the mouse. The estate of [Warren Zevon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5Xv7QqXiM) would like to have a word concerning that particular image 🙂 I’m as much in favor of zero-tolerance policies as anyone else (which is to say, not at all), but I don’t even see how that is remotely relevant in this case. The teacher in question posted a picture of his daughter to his Google+ page, in a context that had nothing whatsoever to do with his job. It shouldn’t matter one whit what kind of policies the school has, because this was in no possible sense in any way related to the school or his position there. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/72 "2014-04-24T11:23:11Z")
> [@Darryl\_Lict](#): > > Maybe not a mass murderer, but how about an accused [murderer](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kansas-man-charged-with-murder-wants-neck-tattoo-removed/). I give you all the credit in the world for finding this, but… ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/73 "2014-04-24T12:50:17Z")
> [@a35362](#): > > Okay, if _Putin_ wore one of these I might be _slightly_ :eek: and 😕 Silly goose, Putin goes shirtless ! He does have “We Do Not Sow” embroidered on his boxers though. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/74 "2014-04-24T13:51:31Z")
> [@bump](#): > > The people in favor of these zero tolerance laws/rules are probably some sort of **neo-troglodytes without** internet access or **HBO**. I know this was tongue in cheek, but for the bolded bit, you mean [72% of Americans](http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/08/23/list-of-how-many-homes-each-cable-networks-is-in-cable-network-coverage-estimates-as-of-august-2013/199072/)? Just saying, because a common cognitive bias is believing (x) is far more prevalent than it actually is because you tend to know/interact with people who are of roughly similar SES as you (hence the SHOCK of many folks I know with bachelor’s degrees when they find out that the total percentage of Americans with a bachelor’s is still under 40% -\* how can that be right? EVERYONE I know has a college degree!\* Sure… Because you went to college and made friends and networked there and work in fields that likely require a degree. Duh.). But this is NOT intended as any sort of defense of the college administrative morons, just so we’re clear. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/75 "2014-04-25T13:05:40Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > As far as I can tell, the only people who are in favor of zero tolerance policies are school boards and school administrations. Everyone else, liberals and conservatives alike, seem to view them with justified contempt. Why boards and admins are so in love with zero tolerance, I don’t know. Could be a fear of lawsuits, a desire not to have to use judgement, both, or something else. Both. And they are too damn dumb to realize that ZT policies leave schools wide open to even more lawsuits than they were (supposedly) designed to protect them from. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/76 "2014-04-25T14:03:36Z")
Brave New World ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/77 "2014-04-25T14:53:31Z")
Not to be overly pendantic, but is this even correctly described as a ‘zero tolerance’ incident? That is to say, does Bergen CC actually have written policy that says something like, “Employees who post Internet pictures of their children wearing T-shirts bearing vaguely threatening language shall be suspended pending investigation”? ‘Cause it really sounds like the admin is just wingin’ it here. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/78 "2014-04-25T15:46:32Z")
> [@Darryl\_Lict](#): > > Maybe not a mass murderer, but how about an accused [murderer](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kansas-man-charged-with-murder-wants-neck-tattoo-removed/). Well, there was Sideshow Bob, but he explained that “Die Bart, Die” was German for “The Bart, The.” No one who speaks German could possibly be evil. ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/79 "2014-04-25T16:12:26Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Not to be overly pendantic, but is this even correctly described as a ‘zero tolerance’ incident? That is to say, does Bergen CC actually have written policy that says something like, “Employees who post Internet pictures of their children wearing T-shirts bearing vaguely threatening language shall be suspended pending investigation”? ‘Cause it really sounds like the admin is just wingin’ it here. It’s _pedantic_, not… d&r 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682/80 "2014-04-25T20:16:46Z")
> [@a35362](#): > > It’s _pedantic_, not… > > d&r > > 🆒 Man, I always know just where to put the typo for maximum embarrassment… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-will-take-what-is-mine-with-fire-and-blood-threat-or-fan-t-shirt/686682.md?page=5)