# I wish to declare war on a foreign country. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464 "2011-06-06T01:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/341 "2011-06-24T16:47:29Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > Please find where I said men do not discriminate against other human beings. What I said was, you will never see “Are Women Necessary?” published on a book store shelf. Right, women are sexist, men aren’t. That’s what I said. I don’t know why we’re arguing, we’re on the same side here. The mere fact that you’re getting mocked for having a Real Doll when countless women are “empowered” by owning vibrators is a perfect example of society’s double standards. You shouldn’t have to lie and pretend to have a wife in order to gain social acceptance, that’s just not right. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/342 "2011-06-24T21:32:36Z")
Yeah, there’s a tendency here to reply to arguments against feminist dogma with “you can’t get any” or “your penis is small”. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/343 "2011-06-24T22:24:53Z")
> [@surrounded\_by\_literalists](#): > > This lettuce…are we talking genuine military grade lettuce, or imported lettuce from various South American countries? Do we have to test it for E. coli first? I mean, doesn’t the USA frown on biological warfare, except in the case of deliberate small pox exposure of the Native Americans in the 18th century? Do we have to provide dressing with that? God, this could be the next political nightmare! Won’t somebody think of the croutons? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/344 "2011-06-25T03:48:11Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Yeah, there’s a tendency here to reply to arguments against feminist dogma with “you can’t get any” or “your penis is small”. Actually, that’s a tendency to reply to Jacquelope wanking. When someone makes an intelligent argument against “feminist dogma”, let me know–most people who think they’re doing that are actually painting fake boobs on a straw man. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/345 "2011-06-26T03:47:14Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Right, women are sexist, men aren’t. Oh jeez. Paranoia and subpar reading comprehension. Stating the fact that “Are Men Necessary” is allowed by publishers and is sold on bookstore shelves, while “Are Women Necessary?” has never been found on any bookstore shelf, **is not at all saying that men are not sexist.** It is saying that women have a right to question the right of males to exist, but not vice-versa. Men can still be sexist and that statement be true. > [@blindboyard](#): > > Yeah, there’s a tendency here to reply to arguments against feminist dogma with “you can’t get any” or “your penis is small”. It’s a fear-based, reactionary thing. They can’t help it. Men need to resort to these tactics to get brownie points. Women do it out of fear of losing their sense of victimhood entitlement. It’s like paying some kind of reparations, except to women and not blacks. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Doctor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/346 "2011-06-26T05:32:58Z")
Of course there is no book called Are Women Necessary! What a fool. Who do you think is going to do the housework, cook, have kids, raise the kids, take the little brats to soccer, iron your shirt, etc. Do you think GUYS are going to do that? Piffle. Get with the program Jacoff. We’ve had a good thing going for THOUSANDS of years and here you are trying to upset the applecart! ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/347 "2011-06-26T05:37:40Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > Stating the fact that “Are Men Necessary” is allowed by publishers and is sold on bookstore shelves, while “Are Women Necessary?” has never been found on any bookstore shelf, **is not at all saying that men are not sexist.** > > It is saying that women have a right to question the right of males to exist, but not vice-versa. The people I feel sorry for are all the guys who went to the trouble to write books titled “Are Women Necessary?” only to find they were unable to publish them. All that work for nothing. ☹ > [@](#): > > It’s like paying some kind of reparations, except to women and not blacks. Which is total bullshit – if _anyone_ should get reparations, it should be you. I mean, having seen a book title questioning whether men are necessary? I can’t imagine anything much worse than that. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/348 "2011-06-26T11:03:44Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Which is total bullshit – if _anyone_ should get reparations, it should be you. I mean, having seen a book title questioning whether men are necessary? I can’t imagine anything much worse than that. I can. Reading it. Thank yew. Thank yew. I’ll be here all week. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/349 "2011-06-26T23:37:25Z")
“Are Jacquelopes Necessary?” Now, that would fly off the shelves… ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/350 "2011-06-26T23:48:21Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > Stating the fact that “Are Men Necessary” is **allowed** by publishers and is sold on bookstore shelves, How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that there is some sort of evil force preventing books from being written? > [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > while “Are Women Necessary?” has never been found on any bookstore shelf, **is not at all saying that men are not sexist.** So the book hasn’t been written, therefor isn’t **allowed**? Seriously, how fucking stupid can this guy be? Who would actually read a book with that title? The reason it hasn’t been published is because no one cares enough to write it, and no one cares enough to read it. > [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > It is saying that women have a **right** to question the right of males to exist, but not vice-versa. A right? Is that in the constitution some where or are you full of shit yet again. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/351 "2011-06-27T08:21:45Z")
People write all kinds of shit, always have: > [@](#): > > From the beginning of the world till now, our sex has enjoyed an undisputed > sovereignty over the other, and their joint consent in all ages sufficiently proves > our possession not usurped. Hitherto, the women, conscious of their own > inabilities, have cheerfully acknowledged the authority which wisdom gives to > men over them, content with the soft dominion which love secures to them over > the men… > > Once the women presume to call in question the great duty of > vassalage to us, it must be time to withdraw our hearts from their power. They > can no longer be safe in the custody of such women as refuse to submit their > heads to our authority. warning: pdf [http://www.theabsolute.net/minefield/mansup.pdf](http://www.theabsolute.net/minefield/mansup.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/352 "2011-06-27T20:53:33Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > It is saying that women have a **right** to question the right of males to exist, but not vice-versa. What’s really, truly, absolutely, the most fucking stupid part of this statement is that it completely ignores the fact that only a few decades ago women did NOT have the right to question. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/353 "2011-06-29T04:56:52Z")
> [@Doctor](#): > > Of course there is no book called Are Women Necessary! What a fool. Who do you think is going to do the housework, cook, have kids, raise the kids, take the little brats to soccer, iron your shirt, etc. Do you think GUYS are going to do that? Piffle. Get with the program Jacoff. We’ve had a good thing going for THOUSANDS of years and here you are trying to upset the applecart! Actually I’d rather bomb the apple cart from orbit. If you and your kind happen to be nearby. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/354 "2011-06-29T05:01:48Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > The people I feel sorry for are all the guys who went to the trouble to write books titled “Are Women Necessary?” only to find they were unable to publish them. All that work for nothing. ☹ I see no one here is even capable of answering why “Are Men Necessary?” is acceptable literature but “Are Women Necessary?” is not. And you’re just trolling because you have no answer. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/355 "2011-06-29T05:14:22Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > I see no one here is even capable of answering why “Are Men Necessary?” is acceptable literature but “Are Women Necessary?” is not. You’re assuming facts not in evidence. You’d have to show a person who wrote a book called “Are Women Necessary” who was rejected by publishers and his book refused by bookstores–that is, you have to show said book exists at all before you can make arguments based on it being suppressed. That’s even ignoring the fact you in turn have no argument about how “Are Women Necessary” balances on the scales with Maxim, GQ, and seventy billion books by guys with stupid hats on how to abuse biological cues to seduce women who wouldn’t normally want to be seduced. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/356 "2011-06-29T05:24:27Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > I see no one here is even capable of answering why “Are Men Necessary?” is acceptable literature but “Are Women Necessary?” is not. > > And you’re just trolling because you have no answer. Are you fucking retarded? Since I suspect the answer might be yes, I’ll go ahead and spell out the answer to your fake dilemma: if someone thought they could sell a book titled “Are Women Necessary?” it would be on the front table at Borders as we speak. There are no forces conspiring against such a book beyond basic disinterest. A book titled “Are Men Necessary?” gets attention because it’s the sort of provocative nonsense that gets dumbfucks like you all worked up over the terrible reverse discrimination faced by the white man and oh won’t somebody think of the poor white man?? Just shut the fuck up already, you worthless sack of pubic hair. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/357 "2011-06-29T10:15:58Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > I see no one here is even capable of answering why “Are Men Necessary?” is acceptable literature but “Are Women Necessary?” is not. > > And you’re just trolling because you have no answer. I’ll take a stab at it. The main reason that there are no books asking “Are Women Necessary?” is because, what with [this puppy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_uterus) still being only a theoretical construct, the obvious answer - from a fundamental biological standpoint - is an unqualified “YES!” No need to reference feminist politics. Just basic science. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/358 "2011-06-29T12:45:26Z")
Here’s the real answer: “Why Are Men Neccesary?”, “Why Are Women Neccesary?” Either one of those sounds like bullshit, touchy-feely, pop-psych, Dr. Phil, Oprah, emotion-wank pile of wasted verbs so who gives a shit in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/359 "2011-06-29T14:35:11Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Are you fucking retarded? Since I suspect the answer might be yes, I’ll go ahead and spell out the answer to your fake dilemma: if someone thought they could sell a book titled “Are Women Necessary?” it would be on the front table at Borders as we speak. There are no forces conspiring against such a book beyond basic disinterest. A book titled “Are Men Necessary?” gets attention because it’s the sort of provocative nonsense that gets dumbfucks like you all worked up over the terrible reverse discrimination faced by the white man and oh won’t somebody think of the poor white man?? > > Just shut the fuck up already, you worthless sack of pubic hair. That’s got to be the most brain dead response you’ve come up with yet. It got attention because women loved it, not because guys got offended. And I’m not white either, you shit eating waste of skin. Your existence is the reason why bestiality is illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-to-declare-war-on-a-foreign-country/584464/360 "2011-06-29T15:16:49Z")
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