# I would like to see... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 19, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232 "2012-03-19T15:54:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/81 "2012-03-21T17:21:41Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > - A scene in a show where, when the characters have to look up something using a computer, it takes a lot of clicking and waiting on the stuff to load before it appears, and they use actual programs like Word or Excel or Google, and when the website or document opens, they don’t immediately scroll down to where the information is, but they have to do a CTRL-F and type in what they are looking for and then sort through a lot of BS to find what they need. > > - Also, a scene where stealing something from a computer using a flash drive is more than just sticking it in and clicking a few buttons. They’d have to put the flash drive in, open up My Computer, open up the flash drive, then find the folder where the information they want is located, drag it to the flash drive, wait for it to download, then close all the windows first before they just leave the computer So, you want movies to be more boring then. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/82 "2012-03-21T17:25:06Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > a movie or a book in which a white guy goes to a native tribe, and learns their ways, and becomes one of them - and then the chieftain’s daughter will have _nothing_ to do with him, preferring to marry the man she’s always loved her entire life. Not to mention, the man she’s about to marry soundly beats the ass of the white guy and they show how six months of training in their ways will not beat a lifetime of living their lives. > > How about you guys? Dunno if it has been mentioned already but there was an episode of Farscape that had that happen, only not so harsh. But its an ongoing show and he already had a GF off the planet so it was easy to predict 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wonderlust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonderlust/32/7237_2.png) [@wonderlust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderlust)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/83 "2012-03-21T17:33:20Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > I’d settle for one in which all the various female characters are somewhat in the realm of believability age-wise. I’m sick to death of the highly-touted, brilliant, experienced PhD/Detective/Lawyer looks all of 20 years old. Jane Curtin (64) is fabulous in\*\* Unforgettable\*\*, a rather terrible show. She’s the forensic scientist. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/84 "2012-03-21T17:37:57Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > How about making the Asian guy the smart one? 😃 Suddenly, that smiley seems racist. Seriously though, I would like to see a strong willed, non-submissive, tough Asian man cast as the sex symbol in a movie, and he can’t know any martial arts either. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/85 "2012-03-21T17:41:50Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That would be great. How about a general suspension of the rule that the audience must have a white guy to identify with in any story set in a different culture? > . The most ridiculous example of this I have ever seen is the miniseries Shaka Zulu which is the fictionalized life story of Skaka Zulu, BUT they had to use a framing device involving white anthropologists or something. > **[Shaka Zulu (TV series)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka_Zulu_(TV_series))** > > Shaka Zulu is a 1986 South African television series directed by William C. Faure and written by Joshua Sinclair for the South African Broadcasting Corporation (SABC), based on his 1985 novel of the same name. > It focuses on the rise of the Zulu, and their leader, Shaka, his wars, and the British administration. The series consists of 10 episodes of approximately 55 minutes each. It was aired in South Africa from October, and in the United States in syndication from November. > The series is ba... ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/86 "2012-03-21T17:46:00Z")
Seriously though, I would like to see a strong willed, non-submissive, tough Asian man cast as the sex symbol in a movie, and he can’t know any martial arts either. [/QUOTE] Here’s a movie I remember from my youth which fits that description. not a really good film though [http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9D07E2DC133BE13ABC4052DFB667838A679EDE](http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9D07E2DC133BE13ABC4052DFB667838A679EDE) ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/87 "2012-03-21T17:55:02Z")
> [@Mrs.Cake](#): > > IWLTS a bronze-age Homer or other ancient Greek epic where people aren’t dressed 1,000 years wrong. Aegean bronze-age clothing was spectacular, especially for the women, but they always put them in white sheets. Indeed. A little too hot for Hollywood (image of NSFW Aeagan bronze age priestess wearing [bare breasted ceremonial garb](http://helens-daughter.dreamwidth.org/tag/fashion)) ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/88 "2012-03-21T17:56:53Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > [li]a truly terrifying cerebral horror movie that doesn’t use jump scares or gore.[/li] One Hour Photo. I found it extremly creepy. Or Es geschah am hellichten Tag (the original version of The Promise), the old black-white version with Fröbe (who later appeared in Goldfinger). Very little blood, but scary. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/89 "2012-03-21T18:08:06Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > So, you want movies to be more boring then. Not boring, no, but more realistic. Its jarring to me when someone’s looking something up on the computer, they click one thing and this window pops up, doesn’t look like any recognizable software, even if its a word document, and opens directly to the part of the file which they are looking for. They can play it off as suspenseful, to see if the protagonist can find the thing before the bad guys come back into the room or something. I just hate it when movies and shows create obviously fake props to substitute for real things. If you’re drinking a soda, it should be a Coke or something, or better yet, a less popular but still well known brand if you want to establish that the character isn’t like everyone else. Would it really hurt anyone if someone was drinking an A&W Root Beer or an Orange Fanta in a movie? No! Also, I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but in scenes where they’re showing people looking around files on a computer, even the mouse movement is fake. The movement of the mouse is always completely smooth, moving from point A to B with perfectly uniform speed and in a direct straight line. Real mouse movements aren’t like that, it really takes me out of the movie when they couldn’t simply film a person moving a cursor around a screen and have to animate it ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/90 "2012-03-21T18:10:14Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > So long as the default assumption is that the “hero” or the “regular guy” is a straight, white, Anglo-American man, most attempts to depict people who don’t fit this rubric are going to become tokens. Every gay guy becomes “THE gay character.” Every black woman becomes "THE black woman character. Sadly it’s going to stay a while because deviating from the clichees cost money: > [@](#): > > It’s not just our imagination. The “Audiences Don’t Want to See Black Men Taking Our White Women” thing is so ingrained that Will Smith claims that Cameron Diaz lost the lead role opposite him in the movie Hitch because producers were worried about “the nation’s problem of seeing a black man and a white woman getting intimate.” So, Cuban-American Eva Mendes was cast instead. Hollywood has apparently decided that Mendes is a nice compromise to the black man/white woman problem – she gets those roles again and again and again. > > snip > > Think we’re making it up? Then how do you explain The Pelican Brief? In the book, the guy and the girl do it, because he’s a suave guy saving a damsel in distress and because that’s what happens in every single work of fiction ever. In the movie, starring Denzel Washington and Julia Roberts at their most doable, they hugged. They were alone for the night in a cabin, and they hugged! > > Read more: 5 Old-Timey Prejudices That Still Show Up in Every Movie | [Cracked.com](http://Cracked.com) [5 Old-Timey Prejudices That Still Show Up in Every Movie | Cracked.com](http://www.cracked.com/article_19549_5-old-timey-prejudices-that-still-show-up-in-every-movie.html#ixzz1pmBRdRQR) and > [@](#): > > In this 2011 study, white undergraduates were given the synopses of 12 made-up romantic comedies. Along with the summaries, they got cast pictures and fake IMDB pages, which were manipulated so that each movie had six versions of the cast; an all-white cast, an all-black cast and four different versions in between. > > Same plot, same characters, same everything – just different cast members. And unfortunately, the whiter the cast, the higher the likelihood of the students wanting to see the movie. > > Read more: 5 Old-Timey Prejudices That Still Show Up in Every Movie | [Cracked.com](http://Cracked.com) [5 Old-Timey Prejudices That Still Show Up in Every Movie | Cracked.com](http://www.cracked.com/article_19549_5-old-timey-prejudices-that-still-show-up-in-every-movie_p2.html#ixzz1pmBvfPNa) ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/91 "2012-03-21T18:17:12Z")
(off topic) constanze - It is sad but what you posted is most likely very true. Anyone who thinks race isn’t still a huge issue in America is blind - and hasn’t been reading news reports out of Florida. I Would Lke To See - that shooter in jail. (ending off topic) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/92 "2012-03-21T18:19:36Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > A movie or a TV show where the Jewish guy isn’t the smart one. I’m not saying he should be dumb, just that someone else should be the smart and sensitive guy. The Jewish character can be the tough guy or the ladies’ man. Does THE BIG LEBOWSKI count? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/93 "2012-03-21T18:24:53Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Suddenly, that smiley seems racist. > > Seriously though, I would like to see a strong willed, non-submissive, tough Asian man cast as the sex symbol in a movie, and he can’t know any martial arts either. Agreed. I still curse at Replacement Killers, one of my favorite movies, that they never have sex. One of the few movies I wanted to see the female-male lead have sex, and they don’t. Other than that, Chow is the hero - he just can’t be seen to be having sex with a cute blond. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/94 "2012-03-21T18:30:22Z")
> [@Jilaad](#): > > I would like to see a movie where once the dweeb proves he’s awesome, … I’d like to see the ex-dweeb kick her ass to the curb. It doesn’t have to be rude. Just something simple like “You’ve treated me like slime for years, and now that [condition X has happened] suddenly you’re into me? No. I’m the same person now as I was before, and I see who you are now. Good bye”. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Hard to point this out without spoiling, but at least it’s a pretty minor side-plot. > > STARDUST does this. FUCK! I was going to say that! > [@Smapti](#): > > Sex scenes where the character’s don’t do it with their underwear on the whole time, apparently put it back on immediately after climax, or lie under an L-shaped blanket that comes up to the woman’s chest but only up to the man’s waist. You have to watch rated R programs for that. They don’t run on network TV. > [@](#): > > A movie where it turns out that science is _good_ and the guy who says “There are some things man wasn’t meant to tamper with” is portrayed as a fanatic who would get everyone killed if they’d listened to him. Seconded! > [@](#): > > A buddy cop movie where the black cop is straight-laced and professional and his white partner who is sassy, full of attitude, obsessed with sex, and understand’s what’s down in the real world. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Lethal Weapon et seq. Double Fuck! > [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](#): > > So you’ve never seen Better Off Dead? You’re right! ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/95 "2012-03-21T18:31:03Z")
Anaamika, drastic\_quench - I forgot to give the title of the movie I mentioned earlier with the Asian-non martial arts hero. It’s “Bridge to the Sun”. Caroll Baker is the female lead. I found the male lead, James Shigeta, very sexy. On tv’s “The Mentalist”, detective Cho was shown having a girlfriend. can’t remember if she was white or Asian. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/96 "2012-03-21T18:33:02Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Not boring, no, but more realistic. Its jarring to me when someone’s looking something up on the computer, they click one thing and this window pops up, doesn’t look like any recognizable software, even if its a word document, and opens directly to the part of the file which they are looking for. They can play it off as suspenseful, to see if the protagonist can find the thing before the bad guys come back into the room or something. Telling stories takes a balance of economy. Certain shortcuts need to be made, especially in a movie. Movies aren’t meant to be a completely faithful reproduction of reality. These kinds of shortcuts make sense to me. The same way that conversations, especially telephone conversations, are depicted in non-realistic ways. Because everything that doesn’t advance the plot or the mood or the characters has to be abbreviated. > [@](#): > > I just hate it when movies and shows create obviously fake props to substitute for real things. If you’re drinking a soda, it should be a Coke or something, or better yet, a less popular but still well known brand if you want to establish that the character isn’t like everyone else. Would it really hurt anyone if someone was drinking an A&W Root Beer or an Orange Fanta in a movie? No! If you can suspend your disbelief for all the other unrealistic things that happen in a movie, I should think that fake brand names of goods should be easy. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Does THE BIG LEBOWSKI count? The Dude was Jewish? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/97 "2012-03-21T18:47:57Z")
As to the sex scene thing, I agree. WHY is it Ok to show a man’s nipples but a woman’s nipples OH NO! Breasts are natural and beautiful…but this one I can argue until kingdom come and never win it. Acsenray, it is easy to say “suspend your disbelief for aliens, suspend it for sneakers” but it doesn’t always work that way. Different things catch different people’s suspension of disbelief. For example, if I saw a Limca or something in a Western movie I’d be yanked out even if it was aliens because I’d be like “Why are they drinking Limca? Isn’t that sold in India? I used to love that shit, but I didn’t think they sold it here.” You see. With Coke it’s “Huh. I guess they must have placed an ad for themselves.” With NotCoke, it’s all “I guess they didn’t want to pay Coke for the ad!” No matter what it’s going to jar a bit, so I’d rather see them err on the side of being more natural. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/98 "2012-03-21T18:52:41Z")
IWLTS a movie o TV show that has an AA or NA meeting… **and gets the details right!!!** Is this so hard? Shit, half the screenwriters in the world are in AA. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/99 "2012-03-21T18:55:49Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > As to the sex scene thing, I agree. WHY is it Ok to show a man’s nipples but a woman’s nipples OH NO! Breasts are natural and beautiful…but this one I can argue until kingdom come and never win it. And movies that do show nudity – naked female breasts are fine, but no penises! Don’t even mention vulvas. That’s an odd hierarchy, isn’t it? – men’s nipples\>women’s breasts\>penis\>vagina. > [@](#): > > Acsenray, it is easy to say “suspend your disbelief for aliens, suspend it for sneakers” but it doesn’t always work that way. Different things catch different people’s suspension of disbelief. Fake brand names are as old as fiction itself. Just for a start, nearly every character works for a company with a made up name. There are all kinds of fake products in fiction. Fake brand names are an integral part of fiction as a genre and have been for more than a century. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232/100 "2012-03-21T18:57:01Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > The Dude was Jewish? Not the Dude. > [@Walter Sobchak](#): > > Three thousand years of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax… > [shouting] You’re goddamn right I’m living in the fucking past! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-would-like-to-see/616232.md?page=6)