ICBM - "Ballistic"

Wrong. 100% wrong.

The majority of the vehicle’s flight IS ballistic. Then when it gets closer to the target, the bus wakes up, begins a controlled rocket powered maneuver set to aim the various warheads at separate targets up to hundreds of miles apart. All guided by inertial systems & computers, not kamikazes.

And each warhead hits pretty precisely where it’s aimed. A MIRV is absolutely NOT a dumb shotgun simply sending several warheads in a loose bunch towards wherever the main vehicle’s ballistic flight directed the carrier bus.

Read enipla’s link for a pretty good treatment.

And then there are MaRVs. Which is just a way to turn the considerable KE of the warhead into cross-range distance. Helpful if ABMs are expected at the other end. I want to say there’s a nuclear arms limitation treaty that prohibited MaRVs for either the U.S. or Soviet Union, but I’ve not been able to find one.

As far as guidance goes, AIUI, it’s still inertially-guided, with star-tracking to help fine-tune accuracy. In the case of the Trident D-5, the most accurate ICBM system I’m aware of, that gets you somewhere in the 90-120m CEP, and the rumors I’ve read is that it does better than that. I’m sure GPS’d be used if it still existed when countries were at the point of throwing nuclear-tipped ICBMs at each other. Hard to jam an internal set of insanely precise accelerometers and a telescope.

IRBMs/ICBMs/Cruise missiles that required still finer guidance back in the day, like Pershing II and AGM-86 ALCM, used some form of terminal guidance, usually a form of radar. The TERCOM system (‘Knowing where it is, because it knows where it isn’t’; a funny AF description of it can be found in this old missileer magazine, at page 5.) was supposed to be good enough to let the ALCM damned near split the uprights on an NFL field goal. From 2000+ miles away.

As for Pershing II, that you could get a radar signal through the considerable plasma sheath around an RV, and not only that, but get a decipherable return, was one of the more amazing features of the Pershing II when I first read about it. That, and a nuclear warhead that would still work after being shoved through 90-100 feet of rock at whatever the impact velocity was.

Wouldn’t be surprised if modern versions, especially those used for conventional strike, had something like Lidar or radar-homing or both. The more accurate the warhead, the smaller the charge needed to kill a hardened target, all else remaining equal. May not even need the nuke, if the RVs accurate enough.

As far as the MIRV bus and the shotgun analogy, doesn’t it actually make sense in an ABM environment, for the bus to get rid of the RVs (and the fake RVs and other penaids) as soon as possible? An RVs signature would be lower than all of them + the bus together, wouldn’t it? Also a given delta-V earlier in the flight means more cross-range separation at the end, which equals a bigger possible footprint for the MIRVs. I don’t remember reading that any of the current MIRV systems provide for in-flight retargeting, so why not send the warheads on their way ASAP, get them off the bus, and disperse them as early as possible?

Been a few of these kinds of threads lately. Everyone else as spooked as I am by news coming from the MidEast these days? (Saudis telling everyone they bought CSS-2s in the 80s, a missile so inaccurate as to be near worthless without a WMD payload; Bibi threatening unilateral Israeli action against the Iranian nuke program, which, given the depths the Iranians have dispersed/buried/hardened their facilities, will mean the action will likely be nuclear if it’s to be effective, and IMHO via Jericho 2 or 3.)

In the CNN article today about Putin moving troops and armaments close to the borders, there’s reference to short-term ballistic missiles.

Does that mean that they just have a certain amount of fuel to launch, and then when the fuel runs out, they fall, presumably on a target?

Short Range?

:smack: Yes.

I like “Short term”. After all, once they’re fired, they’re only missiles a little while.

Then they’re shrapnel, or scrap, or UXO. :stuck_out_tongue:

To your original question: yes. Their fuel load makes them fly ballistically only a relatively short distance.

Relevant wikipedia list of ballistic missile range types

Following up, a little digging turns up this ABC News article stating the missiles being moved up to the front are 9K720 Iskander (NATO code SS-26 Stone) theater short-range ballistic missiles with a 500km range. (US equivalent would be the MGM-168 Block IVa ATACMS.)

Could be that. Could also be the recent wave of news about US missile silo crews and their apparently being fiercely incompetent at their jobs, especially when it comes to site security.

Personally I’ve stopped worrying about Armageddon ever since I learned the UK’s nuclear missile safety mechanism throughout the Cold War consisted in fucking bike locks ; while the super-sikrit US PAL codes were pegged at 000[…]000 all along.
I mean, at this point, what the fuck, right ? If they’re not taking any of this shit seriously, maybe I shouldn’t either.

Actually, from a purely pedantic perspective, “ballistic missile” is kind of redundant. Things like Sidewinders are called missiles, but really they are more like rocket-powered autonomous aircraft because they can use their fins for lift and navigation.

To be fair, taken in context both of those childishly silly security issues make sense.

The locks were a form of what was called Permissive Action Links, since the military didn’t want to call them “locks”. They came as a result of the tension of the absolute need to “never fire when you don’t want it” juxtaposed against the absolute need to “always fire when you want it”. There were different groups of people fighting for one of these or the other; typically the Sandia / Lawrence Livermore folks striving for more safety, while the military striving for more control.

And we can sneer at the military folks who didn’t want locks and call them dumb, but they were real soldiers who came from WWII and did not want anything to ever get in the way of a weapon in time of need. As far as they were concerned, any kind of coded lock could break, and would break at the worst time.

So you end up with manufacturers and Congress demanding safety links, while the military says “we can control our own weapons” and demanding absolute simplicity and perfection.

So when they put the codes on the missiles, SAC shrugged and ignored them, setting them to 000000. Follow the letter of the law, but leave them ready to go if we need them.

Ultimately even with maneuverable re-entry vehicles, it’s still essentially ballistic.

For example, if the Russians fired a missile with multiple maneuverable re-entry vehicles at say… Omaha, they’re really firing their warheads at targets in an elongated oval with a north-south long axis. This is because the warhead bus can only maneuver so much within the ballistic trajectory that it’s following.

So they might be able to hit say… Sioux City on the northern end of the ellipse, and Topeka on the southern end, and possibly Lincoln, but Kansas City might be too far east.

Typically though, they’d be hitting multiple targets in the Omaha area with one missile, not spreading warheads through the entire Midwest.

According to the clickbait appearing in my browser

“Warren Buffet admits this is a real threat”

I would agree with him.