# ICE is racist, fascist, lawless, and running concentration camps **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 20, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019 "2025-11-20T18:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/181 "2026-01-12T20:26:49Z")
As always the YouTuber personality LegalEagle has a good overview of what happened and whether Ross (the ICE agent who killed Good) can be prosecuted (short answer: maybe but unclear). 28 minutes: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/7AQbhes-Ntw/maxresdefault.jpg "ICE Shot And Killed Her") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AQbhes-Ntw) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/182 "2026-01-12T20:28:01Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > He’ll probably make a lot of money on Go Fund Me for this. Sometimes it sucks being right: Currently raised $468,000+ > **[Donate to ICE OFFICER Jonathan Ross, organized by Clyde Emmons](https://www.gofundme.com/f/ice-offuver-jonathan-ross)** > > After seeing all the media bs about a domestic terrorist getting go fund me. I feel that the of… Clyde Emmons needs your support for ICE OFFICER Jonathan Ross ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/183 "2026-01-12T21:01:13Z")
One of those donations is for $10,000 from Bill Ackman. I’m not sure that I’ve heard of him before, but here’s his wiki page > **[Bill Ackman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ackman)** > > William Albert Ackman (born May 11, 1966) is an American billionaire hedge fund manager who is the founder and chief executive of Pershing Square Capital Management, an investment management company. He has been described as an activist investor. As of July 2025, Ackman's net worth was estimated at $9.4 billion by Forbes. > A long-time donor to Democratic candidates and organizations, Ackman endorsed Donald Trump in the 2024 United States presidential election. Ackman has been an active suppo... ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/184 "2026-01-12T21:41:08Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And this is why police have training. > > Something these ICE goons seems to utterly lack. It is all lizard brain for them. Or sitting on the couch in mom’s basement playing Call of Duty brain. That seems more likely since most of them were probably doing exactly that a few months ago. Not this guy. He’s been working for DHS for a long time, and is a firearms instructor. In other words, he’s one of the trainers. > **[The ICE officer who killed a Minnesota woman is a war veteran who spent over...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-officer-jonathan-ross-veteran-spent-decade-dhs-rcna253254)** > > Jonathan Ross shot and killed 37-year-old U.S. citizen Renee Nicole Good during a confrontation in Minneapolis earlier this week. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/185 "2026-01-12T21:45:45Z")
Maybe makes sense. Supposedly he was in fear for his life from this woman (so the narrative goes). While in fear for his life he managed to video record the encounter with his phone in his left hand while drawing his pistol with his right hand and shooting a young woman he was terrified for his life from in the head. Mad skills there. 🙄 My understanding is police are trained to de-escalate a situation whenever possible. Does DHS teach that? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/186 "2026-01-12T21:56:42Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Mad skills there. 🙄 Right, he’s apparently a pretty good shot. Just can’t think. This is just what the puppy killer want’s ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/187 "2026-01-12T22:18:31Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > My understanding is police are trained to de-escalate a situation whenever possible. Remove that “de-” and you’ve got the DHS/ICE training. (How is Donald ever going to get his martial law if these guys DE-escalate situations???) > [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > > > Why in the world would he release such damning evidence? > > My guess is someone saw it and thought it “proved” he was struck by the vehicle, not realizing other video gives context showing that wasn’t the case. Others have weighed in on this, but I’ll add: the comments in right-wing venues, both written and spoken, make pretty clear that their position is: _ **he clearly had the right to kill her because she mouthed off to him** _. It’s of a piece with Tom Homan’s comments that anyone who calls Ross a ‘murderer’ should expect to be the target of righteous violence.\* Fascism goes hand-in-hand with domestic abuse. It’s the same mindset. “I rule here and if I’m not happy with you, you die.” . . \* Homan’s remarks were made during his 1/11/26 _Meet the Press_ interview, the entire transcript of which is linked to at the bottom of this post (for those looking for ‘context’!) By the way, looking for a citation I put “Tom Homan” and “murder” into Google search, and got this scolding from their AI: > [@](#): > > " There is **no evidence that Tom Homan was murdered**. The search results indicate he is currently alive and actively involved in public discourse as the White House Border Czar." Idiotic AI results on Google search seem the norm rather than the exception, these days… > **[Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?as_q=murder&as_epq=Tom+Homan&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&as_filetype=&tbs=)** The MtP transcript: > **[Meet the Press – January 11, 2026](https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-january-11-2026-n1313206)** > > White House Border Czar Tom Homan, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey (D), Richard Engel, Monica Alba, Jamelle Bouie, Stephen Hayes and Jonathan Martin. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/188 "2026-01-12T22:22:39Z")
Was the phone drop a deliberate attempt to simulate having been hit? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/189 "2026-01-12T22:50:21Z")
Maybe, but perhaps it’s just as likely to be a by-product of firing his gun three times. There was bound to be some sort of kick. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/190 "2026-01-12T23:05:28Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Maybe, but perhaps it’s just as likely to be a by-product of firing his gun three times. Firearms in real life are held with two hands. At least that’s how I was taught to fire one, and I believe all LEO are taught that way. (Not saying I’m a LEO, I mean everyone gets taught to hold a handgun that way.) The last thing you want is a shaky, unsteady hand firing a bullet inaccurately. Guns are fired one-handed by action film stars, not folks in real life. So he would have dropped the phone to hold the gun to fire it. Your dominant hand holds the gun and pulls the trigger, your off-hand steadies the gun so it stays straight. And yes, it helps with recoil. Anyone trained to fire a gun is going to automatically hold it with both hands by reflex. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/191 "2026-01-12T23:07:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Guns are fired one-handed by action film stars, not folks in real life. And Olympic pistoliers, but they’re typically using air guns and not live ammo. [![](https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/t5jBOn-WgwtRLyzMLUMniQtJG8U=/fit-in/1584x1056/top/filters:format_auto():upscale()/2024/08/02/610/n/1922729/tmp_K2UC7T_16c0e7685b5eee7b_GettyImages-2164032980.jpg) ](https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/t5jBOn-WgwtRLyzMLUMniQtJG8U=/fit-in/1584x1056/top/filters:format_auto():upscale()/2024/08/02/610/n/1922729/tmp_K2UC7T_16c0e7685b5eee7b_GettyImages-2164032980.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/192 "2026-01-13T01:18:34Z")
I’m very sorry for the entire Good family to be dealing with this murder. But I haven’t seen anything from the family. Do they have lawyers filing suits? Lawyers pressuring the state to launch a bigger investigation? What the FBI is or isn’t doing with all these videos and eyewitness statements is insurmountable. Frustrated because this is an easy murder case. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/193 "2026-01-13T01:33:03Z")
Shouldn’t we be expecting the Widow Good to launch a stadium show in a few weeks with a full spangled jumpsuit and kick-ass pyrotechnics, receive a passionate hug from AOC before endorsing her for president, set up a memorial Honda Pilot for taking selfies and sell merch? I mean Erika Kirk is an example of normal widow behavior, right? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/194 "2026-01-13T01:49:35Z")
I’m hoping the family and loved ones don’t need to make statements at all. Hoping legal can jump on something for them. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/195 "2026-01-13T02:08:40Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Was the phone drop a deliberate attempt to simulate having been hit? Doubt it. > [@Atamasama](#): > > Firearms in real life are held with two hands. At least that’s how I was taught to fire one, and I believe all LEO are taught that way. (Not saying I’m a LEO, I mean everyone gets taught to hold a handgun that way.) Yup, and he was a firearm instructer. Two hands provides stability. Now If you absolutely panic, you might use one hand. Nothing says you can’t use one hand. You can but it’s dumb. They are hand guns after all. Not hand’s gun. Some pistol/revover competitions might require one hand shooting. But in an active ‘combat’ situation it’s two. And this guy fired more than once I think. Was it three times? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/196 "2026-01-13T02:09:05Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And this guy fired more than once I think. Was it three times? Three shots, yes. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/197 "2026-01-13T02:09:47Z")
Gotta make sure… ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/198 "2026-01-13T04:46:19Z")
[![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G-L6cbMWMAAUjPz?format=jpg&name=small) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G-L6cbMWMAAUjPz?format=jpg&name=small) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/199 "2026-01-13T13:50:10Z")
Do the ICE nazis assemble their own uniforms and kit? They look like a bunch of cosplayers who met up at a Con. There seems to be a wide variety of styles and equipment. Do they pick out what ever they prefer from various sources? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/200 "2026-01-13T14:08:09Z")
That some are in actual uniforms and some are in civvies (I just saw a video of an encounter with a citizen and it was pointed out that this ICE agent from who knows where was wearing civvies and a local sportsball team hat) puts the thought in my mind of how easy it would be for those ICE agents to drop their gear and disappear into a protest crowd . . . and everything that that implies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019.md?page=11)