# ICE is racist, fascist, lawless, and running concentration camps **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 20, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019 "2025-11-20T18:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/281 "2026-01-17T02:35:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The judge personally has the keys to all of the prison cells? Judges, under the American system of jurisprudence, have the authority to order the release of people who have been wrongly imprisoned, e.g. such as if the president orders a sitting member of Congress arrested with no warrant, indictment, or charge. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > What law will stop him and, much more importantly, what governmental agency will enforce that law? The same one that’s stopping him from throwing Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, James Comey, Leticia James, Mark Kelly, Ilhan Omar, and Anthony Fauci in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/282 "2026-01-17T02:37:01Z")
Having the authority and using that authority are two very different things. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/283 "2026-01-17T02:38:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Judges, under the American system of jurisprudence, have the authority to order the release of people who have been wrongly imprisoned, e.g. such as if the president orders a sitting member of Congress arrested with no warrant, indictment, or charge. Again, Trump does not give a shit nor do the agencies that answer to him. - [White House ignores court and invokes Alien Enemies Act to deport hundreds of Venezuelans](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/white-house-ignores-court-and-invokes-alien-enemies-act-to-deport-hundreds-of-venezuelans) - [Exclusive: How the White House ignored a judge’s order to turn back deportation flights](https://www.axios.com/2025/03/16/trump-white-house-defy-judge-deport-venezuelans) - [Chicago family says ICE is ignoring judge’s order, keeping 2 men detained](https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/family-says-ice-detaining-man-despite-judge-orders) - [As Dozens Protest, ICE Again Ignores Judge’s Orders](https://provincetownindependent.org/featured/2025/11/26/as-dozens-protest-ice-again-ignores-judges-orders/) And that assumes a judge even hears the case. IIRC three native American men are still in ICE custody a week after being detained. Still no court hearing. They are full-blown US citizens. Born here and not to immigrant parents seeking an anchor baby. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/284 "2026-01-17T02:38:59Z")
So if he has this authority, what’s stopping him from using it? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/285 "2026-01-17T02:39:36Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Again, Trump does not give a shit nor do the agencies that answer to him. So I guess Kilmar Abrego Garcia is currently living free on US soil because Trump felt like being a nice guy, then? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/286 "2026-01-17T02:42:38Z")
Yes, the trip to fucking CECOT was a federally funded vacation. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/287 "2026-01-17T02:43:26Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > the trip to fucking CECOT was a federally funded vacation. Why isn’t he still there, if Trump has the absolute power to defy court orders with impunity that is being claimed? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/288 "2026-01-17T02:43:26Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So I guess Kilmar Abrego Garcia is currently living free on US soil because Trump felt like being a nice guy, then? Ha! Garcia is far from home-free. - [‘Discoverable documents exist’: Abrego Garcia says DOJ playing ‘fast and loose’ with judge ahead of ‘critical’ hearing that could end criminal case](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/abrego-garcia-says-doj-playing-fast-and-loose-with-court-as-case-hangs-in-the-balance-ahead-of-crucial-evidentiary-hearing/) - [Documents suggest Kilmar Ábrego García was retaliated against after wrongful deportation](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/31/kilmar-abrego-garcia-retaliation-deportation) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/289 "2026-01-17T02:44:17Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Garcia is far from home-free. He is not in custody and he is living on US soil. Because judges ordered it to be so and the administration complied. Per your own source; > In December, the judge in Abrego Garcia’s habeas corpus case found he was held by ICE “without lawful authority” for months following his return to the U.S. from a prison notorious for torture in El Salvador. > > U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis, a Barack Obama appointee, ordered Abrego Garcia’s release, also finding the Trump administration “affirmatively” misled the court on the facts. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/290 "2026-01-17T02:47:41Z")
Why didn’t Hitler invade Poland until 1939? You get _extremely_ tedious when you enter this mode – particularly when so frequently shown the logical fallacies that underpin your positions and statements. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/291 "2026-01-17T02:54:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Judges, under the American system of jurisprudence, have the authority… We’re not talking about authority, here. We’re talking about power. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/292 "2026-01-17T02:56:19Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Why didn’t Hitler invade Poland until 1939? Was there a law prohibiting the invasion of Poland that Hitler had been abiding by until that point? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/293 "2026-01-17T02:57:12Z")
Thank you for proving my point. Again. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/294 "2026-01-17T02:57:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > We’re talking about power. And judges have the power to compel obedience with their orders. The fact that they do not always choose the maximal possible method of doing so does not imply that those so ordered are free to ignore their orders. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/295 "2026-01-17T02:58:12Z")
Practically nobody has claimed he has _absolute_ power, so if that is the straw you desperately want to cling to, it is almost entirely a straw of your own making. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/296 "2026-01-17T03:00:16Z")
Tell me about the agencies the Supreme Court can order about. You know, all those law enforcement agencies that are not beholden to Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/297 "2026-01-17T03:01:05Z")
Your comparison is invalid. Hitler had absolute authority under German law at the time. There is no comparable act under US law that gives Trump absolute authority. Your argument, therefore, is that Trump somehow has the power to ignore courts, laws, and the Constitution with utter impunity, but up until now has CHOSEN to voluntarily comply with those rules because (hey, look over there!), but that at some point in the near future he’ll start doing whatever he wants and nobody will stop him, despite the multiple undeniable instances in which his attempts to do whatever he wants have been stopped. He’s Schrodinger’s Autocrat. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/298 "2026-01-17T03:01:46Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So if he has this authority, what’s stopping him from using it? Whim. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/299 "2026-01-17T03:01:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Tell me about the agencies the Supreme Court can order about. All of them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/300 "2026-01-17T03:03:18Z")
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