# ICE is racist, fascist, lawless, and running concentration camps **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 20, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019 "2025-11-20T18:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/321 "2026-01-17T04:27:01Z")
Your rock solid confidence in your ability to predict the future was tedious as fuck in the summer of '24 during the presidential race, and it’s tedious as fuck now. You simply don’t know as much as you think you know. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/322 "2026-01-17T04:27:31Z")
Not in one place. A thousand here, a thousand there has much less impact. Iran is turning out a million protesters in Tehran. Every night. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/323 "2026-01-17T04:28:31Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Your rock solid confidence in your ability to predict the future was tedious as fuck last summer during the presidential race As I recall, my prediction “last summer”, by which I mean two summers ago, was that if Biden dropped out, Trump would win. I’d rather be tedious and right than pants-shitting-terrified and wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/324 "2026-01-17T04:29:15Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Iran is turning out a million protesters in Tehran. Every night. Iran also has no social media and no internet access. Our ability to protest the regime is far broader than theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/325 "2026-01-17T04:34:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And yet Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who is much less wealthy and white, is a free man. You are comparing him to the Clintons? A guy who spent the better part of 2025 in custody, including at CECOT in El Salvador, and was only released about a month ago and who is facing another hearing in February that bears on his freedom to the Clintons? Really? One of these things is not like the other. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/326 "2026-01-17T04:34:44Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You are comparing him to the Clintons? A guy who spent the better part of 2025 in custody, including at CECOT in El Salvador, and was only released about a month ago and who is facing another hearing in February that bears on his freedom to the Clintons? By your logic, he should still be in CECOT. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/327 "2026-01-17T04:37:37Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > By your logic, he should still be in CECOT. 250 people or more were exiled to CECOT and you are hanging your hat one exception. And that it happened at all tells us much more than that one guy has (maybe) gotten out? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/328 "2026-01-17T04:38:43Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > 250 people or more were exiled to CECOT and you are hanging your hat one exception. An exception which I am being told shouldn’t exist because Trump can ignore court orders whenever he wants and nobody can stop him. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/329 "2026-01-17T04:41:19Z")
I linked Trump admin ignoring several court orders above. I am sure you can find more if you want. IIRC in the Garcia case the Supreme Court weighed in and Trump wasn’t willing to snub them as he has lower courts. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/330 "2026-01-17T04:47:45Z")
Then get back to me when the Supreme Court weighs in on the cases you linked. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/331 "2026-01-17T05:08:38Z")
Why don’t you get back to us when a majority of the court rulings against him actually _stop_ him? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/332 "2026-01-17T05:14:26Z")
OK. I’m back. ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/333 "2026-01-17T05:15:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > As I recall, my prediction “last summer”, by which I mean two summers ago, was that if Biden dropped out, Trump would win. Not that I doubt your recollection skills, but could you provide a cite of you saying this. I’d like to see it in context. Because when I search, I see you saying pretty supportive things of Harris, and suggesting she is the better pick. > [@Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/27): > > Harris was pretty fired up in her first campaign speech today. > [@Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/115): > > I hope this will assuage some of the voters who were concerned about Biden’s tack on Gaza. You were even posting stats that showed she was ahead of Biden in polling. > [@Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/135): > > [@Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/948): > > When was the last time a former VP endorsed a candidate from a different party? This seems like a Big Deal to me and it’s probably worth pointing out on her part that she has bipartisan support from some of the highest ranking Republicans alive. But the best one is this one: > [@Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2216): > > Kamala is picking up endorsements from Republicans every dau. Trump has no Democrats endorsing him and people who did endorse him are taking it back. > > Harris spoke to 75,000 people last night. Trump struggles to fill 10,000-seat arenas, with the crowd bailing out in droves while he talks, and then claims the attendence was several times higher than the building’s maximum capacity. > > Harris is supported by Taylor Swift, Beyonce, and Bruce Springsteen. Trump is supported by Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock, and Dr. Phil. > > Harris has laid out a comprehensive and articulate agenda. Trump says things that contradict each other whenever they pop into his mind and his campaign is built around rehashing old grievances. > > And more importantly, Trump just pissed off a major demographic that represents nearly a fifth of the US population and is constitutionally incapable of fixing it. > > Trump isn’t winning. It won’t even be close. So reconcile that with your claim here that you thought if Biden dropped out, Trump would win. It sounds good now, but I think you are full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/334 "2026-01-17T05:20:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > As I recall, my prediction “last summer”, by which I mean two summers ago, was that if Biden dropped out, Trump would win. You were tediously confident Harris could not lose, from the moment she got in until deep into election night. You were tediously confident Biden would never drop out. And now you’re tediously confident that Trump will be somehow held back from ultimately destroying our country. Your ability to be wrong is only matched by your absolute confidence that you’re always fucking right. You just do not know what’s gonna happen. Maybe just admit that once in a while > [@Smapti](#): > > I’d rather be tedious and right I’ll believe it when I see it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/335 "2026-01-17T05:40:50Z")
> [@Disinfectus](#): > > Not that I doubt your recollection skills, but could you provide a cite of you saying this. Sure. [quote=“Smapti, post:17, topic:1003428”]If Biden drops out, Trump wins.[/quote] [quote=“Smapti, post:1835, topic:688907”]I’ve been saying for three weeks that IF Biden drops out, THEN the Democrats are doomed.[/quote] [quote=“Smapti, post:169, topic:1004540, full:true”] This is a disaster. Trump is going to win and it’s going to be the Democrats" fault. [/quote] (I have no idea why these aren’t formatting correctly.) > [@Disinfectus](#): > > Because when I search, I see you saying pretty supportive things of Harris, and suggesting she is the better pick. Because I hoped she would win and I wanted her to win, and boosting for her was the better option than being a Chicken Little. I don’t regret it and I would’ve said the same thing even if I thought she was a bad choice, because you can’t win a race if you don’t act like you expect to win it. Maybe if the rest of the Democratic party wasn’t overrun with pessimists and doomsayers who gave up the ghost the second Biden had a scratchy voice he’d still be president right now and we’d all be sleeping soundly at night. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/336 "2026-01-17T05:44:48Z")
> [@Can the Democratic party nominate someone other than the incumbent President at their convention?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democratic-party-nominate-someone-other-than-the-incumbent-president-at-their-convention/1003428/17): > > If Biden drops out, Trump wins. > [@Smapti is Pitted](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1835): > > I’ve been saying for three weeks that IF Biden drops out, THEN the Democrats are doomed. > [@President Biden Dropping Out of Race](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-biden-dropping-out-of-race/1004540/169): > > This is a disaster. Trump is going to win and it’s going to be the Democrats" fault. There was white space between the quote tags and quoted text. Discourse doesn’t like that. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/337 "2026-01-17T05:47:08Z")
Or, Biden may have lost in a landslide. Your guess is no more valid than mine. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/338 "2026-01-17T06:08:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > even if I thought she was a bad choice Damn it, I just deleted that link last week. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/339 "2026-01-17T06:10:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because I hoped she would win and I wanted her to win, and boosting for her was the better option than being a Chicken Little. I don’t regret it and I would’ve said the same thing even if I thought she was a bad choice, So you admit you’ll just repeat whatever makes you feel good, even if it might be utter bullshit. You didn’t know that Biden would drop out, even as you repeated that he absolutely, positively wouldn’t. You didn’t know Harris was gonna lose, even though you repeated over and over and over that she was absolutely, positively gonna win and it would not even be close. And now you absolutely do not know that Trump and his cronies will be stopped by the courts from doing more and more heinously illegal shit to get his way, and yet you say, again with unyielding confidence, he _will not be allowed_ to do X, Y and Z. Forgive me if I don’t share your confidence in predicting the future, yet again. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/340 "2026-01-17T06:16:08Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > So you admit you’ll just repeat whatever makes you feel good, even if it might be utter bullshit. Would it be better if we all just crawled into a hole and waited for death? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019.md?page=18)