# ICE is racist, fascist, lawless, and running concentration camps **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 20, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019 "2025-11-20T18:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/361 "2026-01-19T14:21:08Z")
_“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”_ [and probably a Glock] > **[DOJ vows to press charges after activists disrupt church where Minnesota ICE...](https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-ice-doj-church-protest-st-paul-46dac5c5595ec78e3360ec927eef92d2)** > > The U.S. Department of Justice says it is investigating a group of protesters in Minnesota who disrupted services at a church where a local official with U.S. I’d be shocked to learn that the Trump administration is holding a double-standard on this one. SHOCKED!! > **[‘People will be afraid to go to church.’ Congregations sue for sanctuary.](https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2025/0130/sanctuary-first-amendment-religious-liberty-immigration)** > > On Monday, a group of Societies of Friends sued the Trump administration over an immigration directive that no longer considers churches “protected areas.” The churches argue it infringes on their religious liberty. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/362 "2026-01-19T14:43:20Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > “When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Which turned out to be incorrect, because Trump doesn’t even bother to pretend to be a Christian. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/363 "2026-01-19T14:45:10Z")
On occasion, perhaps: [![](https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5ed652c0e724eaf4cb9f1d17/1:1/w_1735,h_1735,c_limit/Osnos-Protests.jpg) ](https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5ed652c0e724eaf4cb9f1d17/1:1/w_1735,h_1735,c_limit/Osnos-Protests.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/364 "2026-01-19T14:56:15Z")
Fake photo! His fingers are too long. Plus the Bible isn’t on fire. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/365 "2026-01-19T15:02:50Z")
Is that the picture taken just after he’d used chemical weapons on a church? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/366 "2026-01-19T15:34:06Z")
Yes, yes it is: [![](https://cdn.kpbs.org/assets/img/2020/06/02/trump-church-lafayette-st-johns_wide-3cd5dea0da2070fea44ff2c97e7b0cb266ba8dfc.jpg) ](https://cdn.kpbs.org/assets/img/2020/06/02/trump-church-lafayette-st-johns_wide-3cd5dea0da2070fea44ff2c97e7b0cb266ba8dfc.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/367 "2026-01-19T17:05:31Z")
> **[Lawyers allege Dept. of Homeland Security is denying legal counsel to...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/lawyers-allege-dept-homeland-security-denying-legal-counsel/story?id=129335914)** > > Four attorneys told ABC News they have been denied access to their clients at the Bishop Henry Whipple Federal Building in Minneapolis, where they are being held. The money quote: > [@](#): > > “One ICE agent said if we let you see your clients, we would have to let all the attorneys see their clients, and imagine the chaos,” said another attorney who asked not to be named. “And I said to that person, yeah, you do have to let all the attorneys see their clients. You do have to accommodate that. That’s the Constitution. You chose to put them here. I didn’t bring this guy here, you did." ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/368 "2026-01-19T20:43:43Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Fake photo! His fingers are too long. Plus the Bible isn’t on fire. Heh. (The rest of this is not meant as a direct reply. Beware random thoughts ahead.) Also in the second picture it’s been alleged he’s holding it upside down due to the cloth bookmark hanging from the bottom rather than the top. It could just be how the bookmark is placed, I don’t know if it’s been proven one way or the other. Regardless I don’t think Trump has ever opened a Bible in his life. It’s above his reading comprehension level, such as it exists, anyway. Being genuinely religious or spiritual requires some level of awareness that the universe doesn’t revolve exclusively around an individual and placing something else at the center that is just as, if not more, important. (And I’m not limiting this to Christianity. That goes for any genuinely held spiritual belief or world recognized religion.) Trump is incapable of placing anything but himself at the center of anything. He uses the Bible as a prop and nothing more. He does this because he knows it gets MAGA’s hearts all aflutter even though they don’t believe in it either. The same logic applies to his infamous “flag humping” displays. He equates himself with revered symbols and if you disrespect him then you’re disrespecting the symbol and he plays on that to demonize others. It’s a form of psychological confusion that conservatives in general, and MAGA in particular, seem susceptible to. (I recognize that this is all speculation and armchair analysis. Please feel free to take or leave as much of it as pleases you.) ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/369 "2026-01-19T20:54:50Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > Also in the second picture it’s been alleged he’s holding it upside down due to the cloth bookmark hanging from the bottom rather than the top. It could just be how the bookmark is placed, I don’t know if it’s been proven one way or the other. Based solely on the two pictures posted in this thread, it’s clearly right side up in the second shot. You can just make out the text on the spine and match it to the first shot. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/370 "2026-01-19T21:14:21Z")
Didn’t read the whole thread, but I need to relate something I read on Instagram. In present-day France everyone likes to say that their grandparents were in the Resistance. But everyone know whose ancestors collaborated with the Germans. Similarly, in 80 years here in the US everyone will know whose ancestors collaborated with ICE and they will be despised. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/371 "2026-01-19T21:16:06Z")
Didn’t read the whole thread, but I need to relate something I read on Instagram. > [@Mr.Duality](#): > > In present-day France everyone likes to say that their grandparents were in the Resistance. But everyone know whose ancestors collaborated with the Germans. Similarly, in 80 years here in the US everyone will know whose ancestors collaborated with ICE and they will be despised. That is definitely an optimistic perspective. I can’t think beyond a couple weeks let alone 80 years but I’ll take it. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/372 "2026-01-19T21:47:21Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Similarly, in 80 years here in the US everyone will know whose ancestors collaborated with ICE and they will be despised. > [@Ellecram](#): > > I can’t think beyond a couple weeks let alone 80 years but I’ll take it. You don’t have to remember it, you’ll be reminded of it every time you see an old faded (or worse, kept up) MAGA/Trump tattoo. You can hide your Let’s Go Brandon flag, you don’t have to put bumper stickers on your new truck, you can stop wearing your Trump 2028 hat, but unless you get it removed, you’re still going to have WE THE PEOPLE scrawled across your forearm in giant lettering. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/373 "2026-01-19T22:05:19Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > You can just make out the text on the spine and match it to the first shot. Just looking at that photo on its own, I can zoom in and see a “Y” above an “E” at the upper spine, because I’m sure it says: HOLY BIBLE ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/374 "2026-01-19T22:09:41Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > you’re still going to have WE THE PEOPLE scrawled across your forearm in giant lettering. Plus the Christian nationalist ones, and the runes. The molon labe. And the swastikas. Oh yes. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/375 "2026-01-19T22:12:39Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Based solely on the two pictures posted in this thread, it’s clearly right side up in the second shot. You can just make out the text on the spine and match it to the first shot. Also, look at the spacing of the horizontal lines. Yeah, it’s right-side-up. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/376 "2026-01-19T23:27:51Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > In present-day France everyone likes to say that their grandparents were in the Resistance. But everyone know whose ancestors collaborated with the Germans. Similarly, in 80 years here in the US everyone will know whose ancestors collaborated with ICE and they will be despised. “_One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This”_ > **[One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Day,_Everyone_Will_Have_Always_Been_Against_This)** > > One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This is a 2025 non-fiction book by Canadian author Omar El Akkad that won the 2025 National Book Award. Although its title refers to the Gaza genocide, El Akkad's book also includes wide ranging critique of Western imperialism and hypocrisy. The book was received positively by most reviewers. > El Akkad is a novelist and journalist. His novels have won multiple literary awards, and he wrote for publications including The Globe and Mail. The book's... ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2026, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/377 "2026-01-19T23:59:45Z")
“Ay plegli ianectu flaggen, tupep like for stahn–” Ten generations hence, a starship captain will hear those words… ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2026, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/378 "2026-01-20T00:24:53Z")
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**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2026, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/379 "2026-01-20T00:27:27Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > “_One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This”_ Yes. Also brings to mind a movie I’ve mentioned before. > [@Recommend me a series of movies about WWII](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommend-me-a-series-of-movies-about-wwii/1002721/35): > > _ **La Grande Vadrouille** _ (France, 1966). Literally means “The Big Stroll” but released in English territories with the title “Don’t Look Now, We’re Being Shot At” to emphasize the fact that it’s a comedy. Very entertaining (it was the highest grossing movie in France for years, and an enduring much-watched favorite), and also very interesting to see how France used film to process the trauma of its occupation. Tells the story of an English bomber crew that gets lost and crashes in occupied Paris, and which then has to rely on the help of ordinary French citizens to escape German-controlled territory. A very broad comedy, where the French are plucky and courageous and the Germans are boors and buffoons. Most interesting for its insight into national mythmaking; every single French person the British airmen encounter is willing and happy to help resist the Germans (no Vichy loyalists here!). If the United States somehow manages to pull through this dark period, it will make celebratory movies like the above about how absolutely everyone opposed ICE and heroically hid nonwhite people from the racist thugs. And there will be no civilian collaborators. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2026, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019/380 "2026-01-20T00:28:29Z")
Another source for the same story: > **[Hmong grandfather arrested by ICE in his home; brought out wearing underwear...](https://kfgo.com/2026/01/19/1248604/)** > > COLUMBIA HEIGHTS, Minn. (KFGO) - Neighbors were recording when ICE agents raided the home belonging to a Hmong... There are no words. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-is-racist-fascist-lawless-and-running-concentration-camps/1025019.md?page=20)