# ICE plans to deport immigrants on student visas if their schools convert to online classes **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 7, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565 "2020-07-07T02:57:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/82 "2020-07-08T19:04:44Z")
It’s not even pretense. That’s exactly what he’s doing. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-08/harvard-and-mit-sue-ice-to-halt-new-student-visa-guidelines](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-08/harvard-and-mit-sue-ice-to-halt-new-student-visa-guidelines) ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/83 "2020-07-08T19:08:22Z")
It’s not about the university, it’s about an individual student’s course load. A foreign student must have at least one face to face course. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/84 "2020-07-08T19:29:39Z")
Maybe, or certainly the President could. But they wont. The director of ICE is a trump appointee. [Thomas Homan - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Homan#:~:text=Director%20of%20ICE,-On%20January%2030&text=As%20ICE%20director%2C%20Homan%20has,Law%20and%20ending%20sanctuary%20cities). _As ICE director, Homan has voiced opposition to illegal immigration and support for strong illegal immigration enforcement… He also voiced support for passing Kate’s Law… and ending sanctuary cities…_ _On Tuesday, November 14, 2017, President Donald J. Trump nominated Homan for ICE Director…_ _In February 2018, Homa\*\*n said that politicians who support sanctuary city policies should be charged with crimes."_ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/85 "2020-07-08T19:30:32Z")
read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/86 "2020-07-08T19:32:02Z")
I had no idea that foreign students are illegal immigrants. Maybe someone should ask him why he allowed them in as students in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/87 "2020-07-08T19:34:07Z")
what isnt true? Yes, sometimes a student taking online courses is taking face to face courses as well. Yes, they should make a exception here, I agree- but how does that make my post false? Yes, and they should extend that exemption. But they dont have to do so. If they dont, then that’s the law, sadly. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/88 "2020-07-08T19:34:29Z")
The exception to this rule has been in place since spring. There is no reason it could not have remained in place. No one is forcing them to revoke the current ruling placing the exception. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/89 "2020-07-08T19:35:08Z")
Yes, that would be great. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/90 "2020-07-08T19:38:24Z")
(for the record, I find the quote function here challenging). This is the part that’s not true, which my post was directly addressing (italics mine). > [@DrDeth](#): > > Because they are here on a special student visa, which requires attending classes. _If they were gonna take all online classes, they dont need to come here to do that, now do they?_ You are raising a strawman argument. I’m not saying they can’t enforce this rule. I’m saying enforcing it is misguided and counterproductive. That’s what the majority of this thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/91 "2020-07-08T19:38:35Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Right! Plus, **DrDeth** asserted that they must do it, absent an executive order, which also appears false. No, I didnt say that. I said it is the law, and Trump could fix it with a executive order. He _also_ could call the head of ICE and ask him to extend the exemption. But barring that sort of stuff, it is the law. what is needed is a exemption, and any decent caring person would grant it. However, the two people that could are not decent or caring. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/92 "2020-07-08T19:45:19Z")
Absolutely, and they _should_ extend the exemption. Any decent human being would do so. But they are not making a new law here to screw over the students. They are just enforcing the law already on the books. They could and should extent the exemption. My point was is that they are not making a new law here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/93 "2020-07-08T19:47:23Z")
what law are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/94 "2020-07-08T19:47:24Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > . > This is the part that’s not true, which my post was directly addressing (italics mine). > > … > > You are raising a strawman argument. I’m not saying they can’t enforce this rule. I’m saying enforcing it is misguided and counterproductive. That’s what the majority of this thread is about. **Absolutely, enforcing it is misguided and counterproductive. We are in complete agreement.** But others have said that this is a new rule made up by ICE. Not a new rule. Old law. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/95 "2020-07-08T19:48:10Z")
read the thread. what are _your_ opinions on this? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/96 "2020-07-08T19:49:34Z")
I read the thread. What _law_ are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/97 "2020-07-08T19:50:08Z")
But you’re replying to me, and I’m not saying that. Plus, the part that you were incorrect about had nothing to do with the rule, but the circumstances on which a foreign student taking online courses would still need to be in the US. You haven’t acknowledged that. Also, it’s a rule, not a law. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/98 "2020-07-08T19:52:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > what are _your_ opinions on this? My opinion is that people shouldn’t confuse rules and laws…especially after being corrected on it more than once. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/99 "2020-07-08T19:57:32Z")
Y[quote=“IvoryTowerDenizen, post:97, topic:914565, full:true”] But you’re replying to me, and I’m not saying that. Plus, the part that you were incorrect about had nothing to do with the rule, but the circumstances on which a foreign student taking online courses would still need to be in the US. You haven’t acknowledged that. Also, it’s a rule, not a law. [/quote] Acknowledge that a foreign student can take some online classes? Sure. I agreed. It’s the Code of Federal Regulations, which is all backed by US Code. The difference is moot. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/100 "2020-07-08T19:59:50Z")
Then there should be no problem with using the correct term, right? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/101 "2020-07-08T20:04:01Z")
No, that’s not what I’m saying. I quoted you directly in my reply to the post in which you asked “what part of my post was false”, so beyond that I’m sure I can clarify any further. You seem to like saying “read the thread”, so I suggest you “read my replies to you” for clarity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565.md?page=6)