# ICE plans to deport immigrants on student visas if their schools convert to online classes **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 7, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565 "2020-07-07T02:57:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/102 "2020-07-08T20:11:10Z")
One credit independent study course that requires a weekly face-to-face meeting with an instructor, who can be on the other side of a large room. Nothing specifying how long the meeting needs to be. University rule is that it must be in person. Problem solved? Sure you might be able to do it online, but the university rule is in person. Rules are rules. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/103 "2020-07-08T20:12:36Z")
I am sorry, I dont know what you are getting at. 😳 😧 I totally concur that a exemption should be made for these students. Do we agree on that? I also think that, sadly, neither the Directors nor trump will do so, based upon their past performance. Do we agree there? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/104 "2020-07-08T20:14:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then there should be no problem with using the correct term, right? Are you just gonna snark or actually contribute to the thread here? what are your thoughts on this issue? or do you just follow me around the boards and snark and “Just asking questions”? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/105 "2020-07-08T20:16:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Are you just gonna snark or actually contribute to the thread here? > > what are your thoughts on this issue? > > or do you just follow me around the boards and snark and “Just asking questions”? I have contributed my thoughts as to why this _rule_ change took place-Read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/106 "2020-07-08T20:19:42Z")
Ok, last time. You said (and I paraphrase) “they don’t need to be in the US if they’re online anyway” I said a bunch of reasons that’s not true You said (quoting me) “What about that makes my post not true” I clarified that the untrue part was about _why would they need to be here anyway_. That’s the part about your first post that was untrue. That was the part I was replying to. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/107 "2020-07-08T20:20:15Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It’s the Code of Federal Regulations, which is all backed by US Code. **The difference is moot.** In a case like this, the bolded assertion is, quite simply, wrong. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/108 "2020-07-08T20:22:56Z")
Only in the DACA case and that was so badly executed I almost felt that the career civil servants in charge of implementation purposefully drafted it so it would fail. Even then, it needed a casting vote from Roberts and his long time dislike of the deference doctrine. And no, I don’t think it’s “stupid”, I just think it’s stupid to waste time on an argument on this aspect with you and the others, since it invariably leads to aspersions being cast, and lengthy diatribes emanating from all directions, with a paucity of understanding and an absence of any attempt at comprehension but an abundance of putting word in my mouth. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/109 "2020-07-08T20:24:10Z")
You do you, dude. You’re really making a contribution here! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/110 "2020-07-08T20:24:25Z")
Sure, absolutely. They certainly could need to be here in some cases. You are correct. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/111 "2020-07-08T20:30:19Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > …since it invariably leads to aspersions being cast… LOL. Remind me again, who was the one who made what was essentially an unfounded, unsupported, and unprovoked allegation of hypocrisy in this thread? > [@AK84](#): > > Plus I don’t recall you complaining much when muslim students were being harassed by the FBI and INS after 9/11, again within the Gov rights to do so, but outrage seems selective. Aspersions indeed. Physician, heal thyself. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/112 "2020-07-08T20:49:33Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > One credit independent study course that requires a weekly face-to-face meeting with an instructor, who can be on the other side of a large room. Nothing specifying how long the meeting needs to be. University rule is that it must be in person. > > Problem solved? Sure you might be able to do it online, but the university rule is in person. Rules are rules. I was thinking the same thing, it could even be a 5 minute thing where each student shows up alone in a room, the teacher ticks off their name, and then the student leaves. Could even name it “letter of the law” Brian ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/113 "2020-07-08T21:04:03Z")
Unfortunately it’s not quite that simple, but there are some similar workarounds. But it puts an extra burden the student to put themselves at risk, especially if they have health issues or live with someone who does. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/114 "2020-07-08T21:28:41Z")
It also means all international students have to be on campus all year. Lots of schools are having sophomores and juniors (or the like) stay off campus for the semester so that the other kids can have single rooms in the dorm. So maybe you have a student who found a place to stay somewhere in the country when they went online last spring–with a friends’ family, or a family friend who is a resident, or something. Not in the city where their school is. They can stay there and go to on-line classes, but if they have to “check in”, they have to take up one of those dorm rooms, which makes it harder to have enough room for others who may really, genuinely need to be on campus–either because they are a cohort (like all Freshmen) or a particular program that needs access to specialized equipment. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/115 "2020-07-08T21:51:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is there any chance Trump(through his ICE operatives) is using this as a club to force Universities and Colleges to start back up full swing in the fall, which is something he has been calling for? > “If you want to keep those students, you’ll have to do it under my terms.” Seems likely. The likely outcomes here are: 1. Bad for universities 2. Bad for immigrants 3. Bad for people taking COVID seriously and undermining Trump’s “Everything is normal” bullshit. Trump doesn’t care if it’s bad for the country as a whole, as long as it hurts his enemies more. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/116 "2020-07-09T11:59:37Z")
What about if they’re teaching it? Doctoral students in some fields are highly unlikely to take classes after a while, but highly likely to be teaching. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/117 "2020-07-09T13:45:48Z")
I think it’s case specific- if they are officially hired as an adjunct instructor, as compared to being a grad assistant or TA that runs a section, could have different impacts. It’s also program specific- not all PhD programs and almost all MS programs don’t use grad students as full instructors. While it maybe true in some areas, it’s not universal. In my PhD, program, for example, we TA’d but never taught full courses. I don’t know enough about the rule to know if it would satisfy the requirement. I’d have to imagine if it did, it would have to be face to face class, and we’re still asking foreign students to assume more risk than the US students. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/118 "2020-07-09T23:36:30Z")
Let’s cut through the shit and see what this is really about: it’s a deliberate attempt to confuse international students. Making students ask or even think about their legal status has the intended impact. Just another sign to people living outside the US that the US is becoming a joke. It’s Americans who descend on state capitol buildings with AK-47s because they’re afraid of being told to wear a mask and now this. Who in their right mind would want to come to this joke of a society? ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/119 "2020-07-10T00:29:46Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Let’s cut through the shit and see what this is really about: it’s a deliberate attempt to confuse international students. Making students ask or even think about their legal status has the intended impact. Yeah I definitely think the chilling effect will be real, and is probably the primary motivation for this. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/120 "2020-07-10T00:32:15Z")
Yes. Those of us in higher ed recognize this for what it is from the start and it’s disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![am77494](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d2c977/32.png) [@am77494](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/am77494)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565/121 "2020-07-10T15:30:37Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Doctoral students in some fields are highly unlikely to take classes after a while, but highly likely to be teaching. 9 credits was the minimum requirement for someone to be a full time grad student. Being a full time student is a requirement for the student visa. For grad students, the thesis advisor can make thesis related courses, which are self guided (professor checked) courses that don’t carry letter grades but are usually S/U grades. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ice-plans-to-deport-immigrants-on-student-visas-if-their-schools-convert-to-online-classes/914565.md?page=7)