# Identify this bread/pastry? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 4, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472 "2008-10-04T19:45:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/41 "2008-10-11T13:34:42Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Cream: the fat portion of milk that rises to the top. AKA Heavy cream. Used to make **whipped cream** , coffee cream and cream cheese. > . Not _whip cream_? ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/42 "2008-10-11T13:41:34Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Not _whip cream_? No. Whipped Cream (because it’s been whipped; it’s not made of whips) Iced or Ice Tea (because it’s been iced and it has ice in it, I’ll accept and have seen both, but I prefer Iced) Creamed Butter and Sugar (because it’s been creamed, def 1: beaten Creamed Spinach (because it’s been creamed, def 2: added to a cream sauce) Cream Cheese (because it’s made from cream) Ham Loaf (because it’s made from ham) Verbed: 'ed Noun (made from): no 'ed ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/43 "2008-10-11T13:45:41Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Not _whip cream_? The distinctions people are pointing out to you aren’t subtle, so you’re coming off as deliberately ignorant. It’s not pretty. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/44 "2008-10-11T13:55:05Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > No. > > Whipped Cream (because it’s been whipped; it’s not made of whips) > Yes > > Cream Cheese (because it’s made from cream) > Yes, it’s made of milk cultures, and processed into, tada… cheese. > Fine, accept it, I still don’t like it. > Ham Loaf (because it’s made from ham) > We are not even going there. too short? ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/45 "2008-10-11T14:02:29Z")
Jesus fucking Christ, the board ate my last post. Said it was too short. Needless to say, I feel I am right and not shortshighted. However all you peons seem to think you have the high road so I’ll let it go. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/46 "2008-10-11T14:10:33Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > No. > > Whipped Cream (because it’s been whipped; it’s not made of whips) > Iced or Ice Tea (because it’s been iced and it has ice in it, I’ll accept and have seen both, but I prefer Iced) > Creamed Butter and Sugar (because it’s been creamed, def 1: beaten > Creamed Spinach (because it’s been creamed, def 2: added to a cream sauce) > Cream Cheese (because it’s made from cream) > Ham Loaf (because it’s made from ham) > > Verbed: 'ed > Noun (made from): no 'ed I think this is a good explanation, but English forms compound nouns in many ways that are just idiosyncratic, and don’t necessarily follow any “scientific” rules. (Take _roast beef_–it’s not made of roast. It is, in fact, roasted.) According to **Abby\_Emma\_Sasha** , it’s not correct to say _The children went to school at 7:30_, and it should be _The children goed to school at 7:30_. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/47 "2008-10-11T14:11:44Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Needless to say, I feel I am right and not shortshighted. However all you peons seem to think you have the high road so I’ll let it go. That’s it. Hold on to your position despite all the evidence being against it and then insult anyone who explains it to you. Very classy. Not that I would know, being a peon and all. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/48 "2008-10-11T14:15:29Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > That’s it. Hold on to your position despite all the evidence being against it and then insult anyone who explains it to you. > > Very classy. Not that I would know, being a peon and all. Oh, I’m holding on to to my position , but if you think you’re the only one being insulted, it’s a shame. Anyway, I didn’t mean to, I just think you all are wrong. BTW , peon is a word on myself frequently. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/49 "2008-10-11T14:17:47Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > (Take _roast beef_–it’s not made of roast. First, roast is a really silly word to say. Roast, roast, roast. I think roast beef is made of roast. Pot roast, for example, is roast that isn’t roasted but braised. But I think that’s an example of a word having one meaning, then getting detached from that meaning and being used as a stand-in for another word. In this case “roast” left the “roasting” behind and became a certain cut of meat. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/50 "2008-10-11T14:21:27Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Anyway, I didn’t mean to, I just think you all are wrong. Then SHOW it. I’m very willing to be corrected on this if you give some evidence that all of the cites given so far are wrong. Heck, give some evidence that ANY of them are wrong. It’s also fine to say that you were mistaken. God knows all of us can get hold of the wrong end of the stick on occasion. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/51 "2008-10-11T14:30:59Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Then SHOW it. I’m very willing to be corrected on this if you give some evidence that all of the cites given so far are wrong. Heck, give some evidence that ANY of them are wrong. It’s also fine to say that you were mistaken. God knows all of us can get hold of the wrong end of the stick on occasion. Well, my gosh, I thought I did show I was right. Cream is made from milk from cows and cheese is made from the by products thereof. Maybe I’m wrong. Who knows? Hey, it could happen. Look, I get uhh, upset sometimes, and say things I shouldn’t, That doesn’t mean I let things go, it just means I need to step back. So you go for it, babe. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/52 "2008-10-11T14:47:49Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Well, my gosh, I thought I did show I was right. Cream is made from milk from cows and cheese is made from the by products thereof. And as has been pointed out over and over, cream is an ingredient in cream cheese, not a method of producing cream cheese. > [@](#): > > Cream cheese is made from a combination of cream and milk, and is not matured or hardened, as are other cheeses. Instead, it is slightly firmed by the introduction of lactic acid. > **[What is Cream Cheese?](https://www.delightedcooking.com/what-is-cream-cheese.htm)** > > Cream cheese is a soft, spreadable cheese that is usually consumed fresh. Unlike mature or hard cheeses, cream cheese is used... ---
**Author:** ![spoike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@spoike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spoike)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/53 "2008-10-11T14:56:34Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Oh, I’m holding on to to my position , but if you think you’re the only one being insulted, it’s a shame. > > Anyway, I didn’t mean to, I just think you all are wrong. > > BTW , peon is a word on myself frequently. When everyone else has provided you with a number of cites from a number of different sources, and all you’ve done is stubbornly ignored them, called them names, and declared yourself correct despite a lot of evidence to the contrary, you might want to reconsider your position. At the very least, you should be providing something to back it up. Cream cheese is a specific type of cheese made with cream. It is named so because of the ingredients. Mashed potatoes are named for the method used to prepare them. If, however, they were flavoured with garlic, they would then be called garlic mashed potatoes, not garliced mashed potatoes. Finally, it is completely irrelevant that you may or may not call yourself a ‘peon’ frequently. It’s still rude to call others names, and greatly dilutes any argument you’re trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/54 "2008-10-11T15:08:14Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > First, roast is a really silly word to say. Roast, roast, roast. > > I think roast beef is made of roast. Pot roast, for example, is roast that isn’t roasted but braised. That’s correct in that a verb in English can be used as a noun, (and a noun as a verb). But in that case, why not say “beef roast,” as you would say “fish taco” (rather than “taco fish”)? As I said before, compound nouns in English are often idiosyncratic, and don’t always follow strict rules, and it’s kind of pointless to go around saying something is “wrong” or “right.” It’s like saying someone’s name is “wrong,” and that he or she must change it. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/55 "2008-10-11T15:11:10Z")
> [@spoike](#): > > When everyone else has provided you with a number of cites from a number of different sources, and all you’ve done is stubbornly ignored them, called them names, and declared yourself correct despite a lot of evidence to the contrary, you might want to reconsider your position. At the very least, you should be providing something to back it up. > > Cream cheese is a specific type of cheese made with cream. It is named so because of the ingredients. Mashed potatoes are named for the method used to prepare them. If, however, they were flavoured with garlic, they would then be called garlic mashed potatoes, not garliced mashed potatoes. > > Finally, it is completely irrelevant that you may or may not call yourself a ‘peon’ frequently. It’s still rude to call others names, and greatly dilutes any argument you’re trying to make. spoike, I will give you and your numbers their due. They can have their cream and eat it too. I will not give you any insults, however. Maybe peons was not the right word to use, but hardly an insult. I make no apologies. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/56 "2008-10-11T16:25:58Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Jesus fucking Christ, the board ate my last post. Said it was too short. Needless to say, I feel I am right and not shortshighted. However all you peons seem to think you have the high road so I’ll let it go. OK, one last analogy (and, yes, you are wrong on this point) What do you call a sauce based on cream? A cream sauce. What do you call the pastry containing cream as a main ingredient? Cream puffs. Or how about the dessert stuffed with a cream sauce? Cream pie. What do you call cheeses made with skim milk? [Skim-milk cheeses.](http://www.practicallyedible.com/edible.nsf/encyclopaedia!openframeset&frame=Right&Src=/edible.nsf/pages/skim-milkcheeses!opendocument) What do you call cheeses made with whole milk? Whole milk cheese. What do you call a cheese made with cream? Yes, cream (not _creamed_) cheese. If you want to still think you’re right, you’re just being stubborn. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/57 "2008-10-11T16:30:34Z")
I’m willing to let it go and call it a draw. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/58 "2008-10-11T16:36:19Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > OK, one last analogy (and, yes, you are wrong on this point) > > (snip snip) > What do you call a cheese made with cream? Yes, cream (not _creamed_) cheese. > . I call it creamed ceese. I said I woullld lt it go, and I will. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/59 "2008-10-11T16:42:40Z")
Don’t even bother, I already know I misspelled cheese. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/60 "2008-10-11T17:01:06Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > I call it creamed ceese. > > I said I woullld lt it go, and I will. You can call it whatever you want. That doesn’t mean everyone else is “wrong.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472.md?page=4)