# Identify this bread/pastry? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 4, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472 "2008-10-04T19:45:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/61 "2008-10-11T17:15:05Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > You can call it whatever you want. That doesn’t mean everyone else is “wrong.” Good god none of you will let it go, will you? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/62 "2008-10-11T17:54:16Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Good god none of you will let it go, will you? Actually, you’re the only one who said she’d let it go. I’m still waiting for that to happen, but I won’t be holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/63 "2008-10-11T18:10:06Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > I’m willing to let it go and call it a draw. Will that be a called draw or a call draw?. Is this what the famous Called War was all about? Cheese refrigeration? ---
**Author:** ![spoike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@spoike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spoike)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/64 "2008-10-11T18:44:21Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > I’m willing to let it go and call it a draw. Out of curiousity, when was the last time you admitted you were wrong in an argument? Or, have they, perhaps, coincidentally, all ended in a draw? At any rate, I’m done discussing this. While I will clearly get no satisfaction by trying to help you understand and admit your error, I will get the satisfaction of knowing that it’s going to be a damn sight easier for me to find the ingredients when I want to make a cheesecake. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/65 "2008-10-11T19:55:55Z")
Seeing as every normal thinking person has agreed that the correct name is ‘cream cheese’ - which is what it’s called in the UK an’ all - here’s another one: > [@pulykamell](#): > > What do you call cheeses made with skim milk? That should be ‘skimmed milk’. Because it’s milk that has been skimmed, not milk made from skim. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/66 "2008-10-11T20:39:45Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > I’m willing to let it go and call it a draw. No need for that. It’s only a flesh wound. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/67 "2008-10-12T02:14:18Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > No need for that. It’s only a flesh wound. Don’t you mean a fleshed wound? ---
**Author:** ![spoike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@spoike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spoike)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/68 "2008-10-12T02:39:55Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > No need for that. It’s only a flesh wound. Heh. That was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/69 "2008-10-12T02:40:36Z")
I keep waiting for someone to append, “When come back, bring povitica.”😕 ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/70 "2008-10-12T04:13:16Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > I keep waiting for someone to append, “When come back, bring povitica.”😕 I really want some povitica. ---
**Author:** ![MickNickMaggies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/59ef9b/32.png) [@MickNickMaggies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MickNickMaggies)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/71 "2008-10-12T05:04:59Z")
As an insomniac with a subscription to the OED, I will say that there is not a listing for ‘creamed cheese’'. There is, however, an entry for ‘cream-cheese’. One that cites the term as appearing in 1583: > [@](#): > > T. STOCKER Hist. Civ. Warres Lowe C. II. 53b A pounde of Creame Cheese two Sous. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/72 "2008-10-12T05:27:28Z")
> [@MickNickMaggies](#): > > As an insomniac with a subscription to the OED, I will say that there is not a listing for ‘creamed cheese’'. > > There is, however, an entry for ‘cream-cheese’. One that cites the term as appearing in 1583: Quote: T. STOCKER Hist. Civ. Warres Lowe C. II. 53b A pounde of Creame Cheese two Sous 😕 Wikipedia says: \*According to the food processing company Kraft Foods[2], the first cream cheese was made in New York in 1872 by an American dairyman William Lawrence. In 1880, ‘Philadelphia’ was adopted as the brand name, after the city that was considered at the time to be the home of top quality food. However, the technique is known to have been in use in Normandy since the 1850s, producing cheeses with higher fat content than the US model,[3][4] and Philadelphia cream cheese has been suggested as a substitute when petit suisse is not available.[5].\* > **[Cream cheese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cream_cheese)** > > Cream cheese is a soft, usually mild-tasting fresh cheese made from milk and cream. Cream cheese is not naturally matured and is meant to be consumed fresh, so it differs from other soft cheeses, such as Brie and Neufchâtel. It is more comparable in taste, texture, and production methods to Boursin and mascarpone. Stabilizers, such as carob bean gum and carrageenan, are often added in industrial production. It can also come in several flavors. > The U.S. Food and Drug Administration defines cre... I figured that cream cheese was cheese made from cream instead of milk. According to this recipe, it isn’t. But in the sense that it’s whole milk with extra cream—like beef tacos have beef but that doesn’t imply that beef is the sole ingredient— it might be aptly named. [http://www.howtomakecheese.co.za/cream\_cheese/](http://www.howtomakecheese.co.za/cream_cheese/) Texture-wise, it seems more like cheesed cream than creamed cheese to me. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/73 "2008-10-12T14:53:58Z")
> [@MickNickMaggies](#): > > One that cites the term as appearing in 1583: That’s the same year referenced by M-W. I guess Wikipedia is referring to “modern” cream cheese but the term itself is 425 years old. ---
**Author:** ![sjc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@sjc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sjc)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/74 "2008-10-13T04:08:13Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Good god none of you will let it go, will you? I hate to be doing this, but I think that one of the reasons people aren’t letting go is that it’s not a draw, _you are wrong_. I don’t say this to be mean. I say it because generally speaking if an item is called ‘_x_-ed something’ it means that that the verb ‘x’ was done to it. If an item is called ‘x something’, it’s because it contains ‘x’ or resembles ‘x’. Cream cheese creamy not because someone creamed it, but because it has a high milk-fat content. Before I read the linked Wikipedia article I assumed that cream cheese was made with cream or had cream added to it, _not_ that it was creamed (by whipping or mixing). I based this on my reading of the grammatical rules, and guess what? I was correct. I will grant you that this rule is not always followed–e.g. ‘skim-milk’\*, but in most cases it seems to be, and in this specific case it is. \*I prefer the term skimmed milk myself. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472/75 "2008-10-13T04:17:22Z")
> [@sjc](#): > > I will grant you that this rule is not always followed–e.g. ‘skim-milk’\*, but in most cases it seems to be, and in this specific case it is. > > \*I prefer the term skimmed milk myself. I kinda see that as referring to cream itself. The stuff that was skimmed = cream. When you say something was skimmed off the top, aren’t you referring to the stuff in the strainer, not the stuff left behind? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identify-this-bread-pastry/466472.md?page=3)