The obvious solution is for the Sentinelese need to build a wall.
And have the missionaries pay for it.
Clearing up the quote-error confusion: It was Czarcasm who said, in his reply in post #86 to my post #72, that Chau was sponsored by International Christian Concern. I do not know on what grounds that claim was made nor whether it’s true.
And get the neighbouring Andamanese to build it, because they’re much less aggressive people, hence more compliant to carry out tasks. But only the best Andamanese.
Hehe. The government backs off from recovering the missionary’s body after the tribals eyeballed them. Hilarious. An amphibious landing in the dead of the night might be in order. Of course, we will bill the ICC.
Meanwhile, the missionary is, for the first time ever, doing something truly useful to Mother Earth - enriching her soil. Thus proving that the best missionary is a dead missionary.
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I poke around the internet earlier today. International Christian Concern says he wasn’t a formal part of their group. Beyond that, it’s murky. Chau was able to charter a boat after all; my guess is that he had the support of some religious operation.
I sure did. She rejected that interpretation and insisted that African means “descendants of one of the earliest African groups that left Africa and moved to these islands. Their phenotype is African and not sure if their language is or not. However they are not Indian.”
I posted the information about the haplotypes relating them to Ainu, Tibetans, and other Asians. Her response was “They are black folks, who are in the first migratory group out of Africa, the haplotypes tend to agree with negritos and some Asian but this is all part and parcel of genetic drift.” Then somebody else backed up “It is eminently reasonable to consider this group African, despite distance from the African continent in time and space”, citing the example of Bahia where people are as much African as Brazilian after over 200 years.
I could have answered that “genetic drift,” whatever she meant by that, has nothing to do with it, and that using a 200-year analogy to a 60,000-year separation is absurd, and that being the first to leave Africa would make them more removed from African than Europeans whose ancestors left it later, but I gave up.
No need for clairvoyance, Jesus came and told us what was on God’s mind. As did several prophets.
Everything beyond that requires the application of common sense. Expending a lot of resources and ignoring a billion Hindu’s on your way to go convert 12 people an island sounds like you should have been praying for more wisdom and fewer miracles.
Probably the wisest choice. She’s using the crudest type of racial classification, that based on skin color alone. Even in the 1950s anthropologists recognized that the Australoid/Melanesian groups were different from sub-Saharan Africans, and some even considered them more closely related to Caucasians (which they are). The most recent research suggests the Andamanese colonized the islands only about 26,000 years ago, during the last Glacial Maximum, and are not pristine remnants of the first groups to leave Africa.
Uh, according to the story, there weren’t any.
Then who did Cain and Able get married to?
Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden before they had kids.
Not we; India.
Why try and recover the body at all? There’s no reason to risk either the islanders’ or the recovery team’s lives in an armed conflict. Let his friends and family mourn him in absentia.
Chau’s dogged pursuit of his fate reminds me of Timothy Treadwell, AKA “The Grizzly Man,” who insisted on hanging around with grizzly bears until one day they killed and ate him and his girlfriend.
Cave babes. It was an “animal attraction” kind of thing.
Here is avideo of actual Sentinelesereceiving coconuts from outsiders peacefully. If he had only done a youtube search before he went he’d have known how to begin a friendly encounter. And they are not “uncontacted”. They are well aware that some outside world exists, and have chosen their own way of life. Whatever you may assume about their “dwindling numbers” there are far more of them now than there will be if we impose ourselves upon them. And speaking of that. . .
The amount of misinformation in this thread is alarming. This one knows that their numbers are declining, that one knows they -must- be practicing infanticide, another knows their maternal health statistics; no, you don’t. Nobody has the slightest idea about any of that. The official guesstimates of the population are anywhere from 50-500 people.
As for the concerns about abuse, I invite you to review the video above. See how that woman wades into the water and gently guides a man back to the shore? That is the act of a person who is accustomed to gentle treatment of herself and others.
See how they work together to gather the rare resource? And then leave it in piles without a guard? These are the acts of people who are accustomed to equitable distribution.
See that strong, healthy, pregnant woman gathering food? This is not an indicator of high maternal mortality.
What little evidence we have indicates that they are doing a fine job of getting along without us.
A valid martyrdom is when one is killed for believing, not for trespassing. The people trying to make him a martyr, or screaming “persecution” are seriously misguided.
One of the linked articles mentioned the government dropping food and supplies to them after the tsunami. And, as mentioned before, the Indian Navy enforces the protection awarded to them.
I have heard stories about Mormons performing proxy baptisms of their ancestors. They have to do the research and have the person’s full name in order to do it. Supposedly this gives the restless spirit an opening to decide whether to accept the faith. I don’t really understand it fully, but it certainly supports your conjecture.
That doesn’t answer the question.
One of the comments also mentions this:
I love when someone makes a post like this and in so doing spreads misinformation of their own. The official estimates of their population have varied over time, and are pretty well documented. The last time India tried to survey the population they were able to spot 15 unique individuals from a helicopter. It’s highly unlikely they have anywhere near 500 remaining tribe members, Indian government helicopters monitor the islands regularly enough that them missing 450+ people is just highly unlikely. While it is true there’s no knowledge of real numbers of tribesmen left alive, the upper end of that range suggesting it could be as high as 500 people is based on contact and survey from many decades ago.
I find the claims about abuse without evidence just as spurious as claims that there are no abuse based on this level of spurious analysis. Many abused people have “gentle public moments”, while the people assuming there’s terrible abuse going on within the tribe are engaged in wild conjecture, you trying to apply analysis to a few frames of video and extrapolate it to an entire tribal culture is just as bad–if not worse, and frankly pretty stupid.
Again, an assumption based on only a small amount of evidence and one for which you lack any cultural or anthropological basis specific to the Sentinelese to be making the claims. Plenty of societies have stockpiles of “rare resources” that aren’t guarded. In fact in the United States a large portion of stockpiled goods are not guarded at all. Our society doesn’t have an equitable distribution of wealth or goods.
Medical diagnosis via brief video clip at a distance is…fucking stupid? That woman could’ve died the next day or lost the baby to any number of causes common in primitive peoples. While we don’t have any solid evidence on the health of the Sentinelese, with maternal and infant mortality we have enough case history of almost all the rest of the human population to know that without modern medicine the Sentinelese probably do have significantly higher rates of maternal and infant mortality than we do.
Actually what little evidence we have suggests they may have lost upward of 97% of their population in 50 years. It is little evidence, so we should afford it a low confidence value, but the scant evidence we have isn’t positive.
While I’m happy to acknowledge having shamelessly snipped this from your post, and will even cop to it being a bit of a dirty trick, nothing I snipped would change the naked meaning of this sentence had I NOT snipped it; therefore, it feels like a small triumph to see someone with your posting history submit it.
It doesn’t exactly rise to the level of an assertion that an equitable distribution would be a good thing, but it’s a start. 
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