# Idiots holding candle-light vigils for Michael Jackson **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 23, 2003, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847 "2003-11-23T16:15:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/41 "2003-11-24T13:38:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by A Monkey With a Gun \* > \*\*There is so much critical buzz about Jackson’s newest effort that most industry insiders expect the album to go ALUMINUM!. The prosecution is clearly trying to prevent him from profiting. \*\* I hear from pre-orders alone, it’s already gone vinyl. ---
**Author:** ![detop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@detop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/detop)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/42 "2003-11-24T13:52:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Governor Quinn \* > \*\*Only six in Montreal. Now, that’s truly pathetic. > > Hell, there are Dopers who could organize a better rally. \*\* Either it’s because of the transit strike we just had here or Montréal fans have more sense. I would believe the second reason. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/43 "2003-11-24T13:59:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by danceswithcats \* > **OK, Jermaine. How is this a racist charge? If a female has a gender change operation to become a male and lives as a male, can she charge discrimination as a female?** Hate-crime legislation is often aimed at what the criminal _perceives_, not necessarily what is actual fact. So if the person who discriminated against the transgender lived in a state with gender-based hate crime or employment bias legislation, it’s entirely possible he or she would be guilty under the statute. As an example of the perception vs. reality thing, here’s part of the California penal code, with some added italics. It doesn’t cover race or gender, but it gives the general idea of how this legislation seems to be worded: > [@](#): > > (a) A person who commits first-degree murder shall be > punished by imprisonment in the state prison for life without the > possibility of parole, if the defendant intentionally killed the > victim because of the victim’s disability, gender, or sexual > orientation or because of the _defendant’s perception of the victim’s > disability, gender, or sexual orientation_. **ObDisclaimer** : Metacom thinks Michael Jackson is discriminated against because he is a homosexual pederast, not because of his transskincolorness, girly voice, actual race, or the extensive plastic surgeries to make him look like a 14 year old white boy. Metacom’s assertion that racial discrimination against Michael Jackson is still _possible_ in no way implies that he thinks it actually occured. Thank you, that is all. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/44 "2003-11-24T14:14:30Z")
Well, I heard that Elton John is going to cut a record to raise money for Michael Jackson’s legal defense. Much like he did with his remake of Candle in the Wind in honor of Princess Diana, he’s going to remake one of his older songs for Michael Jackson. It will be called: Don’t Let Your Son Go Down on Me… ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/45 "2003-11-24T14:54:51Z")
A paedophile he may very well be, but he’s not a homosexual. Let’s not start that debate again. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/46 "2003-11-24T15:08:49Z")
**TwistofFate** , what makes you so sure that he’s not a homosexual ? ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/47 "2003-11-24T20:35:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*A paedophile he may very well be, but he’s not a homosexual. Let’s not start that debate again. \*\* I said he was a “homosexual pederast,” not a “homosexual.” Can you think of a better term to describe someone who has a sexual preferrence for pre-pubescent males and acts on it? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/48 "2003-11-24T20:36:09Z")
Lisa Marie Presley? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/49 "2003-11-24T20:43:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Metacom \* > \*\*Can you think of a better term to describe someone who has a sexual preferrence for pre-pubescent males and acts on it? \*\* Demi Moore? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/50 "2003-11-24T20:49:16Z")
Man, I was hoping this was going to be a rant about people setting fire to things in order to show their support. Lighting candles, tying yellow ribbons, leaving teddy bears…what in the pluperfect fuck is all that about anyway? “Oh dear, a plane crashed; I’ll set some wax on fire and make it all better.” Should I tie a yellow ribbon around my dick if it doesn’t work? Hell, it’d look like someone dipped a small mummy in mustard by now. I could go on in this vein, but it ain’t my thread. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/51 "2003-11-24T20:53:10Z")
> [@](#): > > For being on this board so long, gobear, you sure have a clean mind. Clean or obtuse–that connotation of “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” did not occur to me. Oh, and may I add EWWWWWW! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/52 "2003-11-24T21:16:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*MY GOD! WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE 37-YEAR OLD FRENCHMEN! \*\* ok - I liked that one **minty**! ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/53 "2003-11-24T23:44:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Posted by \*_tolyri_ > JERMAJESTY (what the fuck kind of name is that?) \*\* Soitenly better than [Dweezil](http://www.zappa.com/dweezil/), but not much better. 😉 > [@](#): > > \*Posted by \*_Guinastasia_ > justice department \*\* Mmmm. Check the facts, I doubt if many (if any?), call the Santa Barbara District Attorney, the ‘justice department’ :eek: [sub]yes, I have an affectation for smilies, so what![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![ccwaterback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@ccwaterback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ccwaterback)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/54 "2003-11-25T02:18:12Z")
When is Jacko going to release his version of “Everybody’s Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey”? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847/55 "2003-11-25T02:24:57Z")
Sorry, I wasn’t exactly sure how to describe it. (I know next to nothing about law enforcement and the like, and who presses charges and all that). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/idiots-holding-candle-light-vigils-for-michael-jackson/214847.md?page=2)