# If after 50 f'n pages, you are still trying to engage SA; YOU ARE DUMB!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2012, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405 "2012-02-01T09:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/241 "2012-02-03T20:49:06Z")
As a side note, I was amused by how that ATMB thread Starving Artist started to complain about how he’d been insulted was being used as a flimsy excuse for people to insult Starving Artist in ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/242 "2012-02-03T20:53:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, sorry. There is no law I know of that says unrelated men and boys can’t be nude in each other’s presence. Of course if you can present a credible cite to the contrary I’ll be happy to retract. Naturally that will raise the question of whether Joe Paterno ever heard of such a stupid law, and that will lead to assertions that ignorance of tbe law is no excuse, and that will lead to counter-claims that while it might make him legally liable one can hardly expect him to take action as proscribed by a law that he never heard of, which will lead to allega…well, you get the idea. I presented it, you fucking utter retard. In Pennsylvania, it is per se (that means automatically, CSI-boy) illegal, unlawful, forbidden to: > [@](#): > > expose [one’s] genitals in any public place or in any place where there are present other persons under circumstances in which he or she knows or should know that this conduct is likely to offend, affront or alarm.[ One could argue all day (no one couldn’t) about how a naked old man grinding on a naked little boy in a shower was, or was not, “likely to offend, affront, or alarm,” (no one couldn’t, it is more than likely, it is guaranteed), except one need not indulge in such a stupid dumb fuckery. Because, unlike in many instances, Real Life steps in and solves the “likely” question: McQueary was “shocked” and “distraught” at seeing Sandusky’s showering lessons. That more than meets offend affront or alarm. Naked man-on-boy showering contact is, per se, illegal under the Pennsylvania statute. That is a law that you now “know of.” You are forbidden from further denying that you “know of” such law. Now you’ll “retract” (these things write themselves)? Didn’t think so. You dumb, sick fucker. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/243 "2012-02-03T20:59:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I do not agree that for a boy and a man to be in a shower together is automatically a crime. As a boy I’d been in many public swimming pools with adult men. And the fact is that millions of boys of boys are showering or bathing with grown men all over the world to no ill effect. Further, there are tribal areas in the world (and no, I’m not talking about hippie communes, love-ins, “naked bike rides” or gay pride demonstrations) where children are exposed to adult nudity every day of their lives, also to no ill effect. > > Now, just for shits and giggles, let’s consider the following scenario. Let’s say there’s a boy from an underpriviliged background who has gotten to know Jerry Sandusky through his Second Mile work. And let’s say that boy is about to graduate grade school and start junior high where he knows he’ll be in phys ed classes and required to shower. But for whatever reason he’s never been in a shower in his life and has always taken baths. This makes him feel insecure and worried that he’ll embarrass himself 'cause he won’t know the protocol and the other kids will make fun of him. So, having found Sandusky to be someone who cares about him, someone non-judgemental who he feels comfortable with and can talk to freely, he asks Jerry Sandusky to teach him the routine of showering at school. Perhaps his father, not knowing of the allegations against Sandusky, even suggested it himself. Who better to teach your kid locker room comportment than a manly big-time college football coach, huh? > > I can see this scenario played out with young boys and Big Brothrrs or mentors all over the country and I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. The only fly in the ointment in this case is that the mentor is Jerry Sandusky, and Paterno, perhaps having been told earlier that in his role as mentor Sandusky had been teaching kids to shower from time to time and thought nothing of it. I would have thought nothing of it myself and I’m a generation younger than Paterno. Then let’s say Paterno gets wind of the 1998 complaint that a mother complained that Sandusky hugged her kid in the shower. He likely feels Sandusky was merely being encouraging or expressing affection of a wholesome and fleeting nature and that the mother was being over-protective and foolish. Then he hears McQueary’s report and isn’t sure whether Sandusky was really misbehaving with kids or whether there was some other, more innocent explanation and McQueary simply misread what he saw. So, being unsure whether anything bad had happened or not, he duly passes the report up to his superiors as the law prescribes, figuring they’ll determine whether there was anything bad going on and what should be done about it, then he returns his attention to the 24/7 job of being a football coach. > > See? Easy-peasy to see how all this could have gone down with no moral failure on Paterno’s part, and no belief that a man showering with a boy was a crime…which is stupid if it is and emblematic of the equally-stupid CYA practice of making certain things always wrong even if they aren’t. It’s idiotic bullshit like that which gets young girls charged with distributing child porn for sending a naked photo of themselves to their friends and punishing six-year-old boys for sexual harrassment because they kissed a girl on the cheek. No telling what kind of fucked-up relationship problems these kids are gonna have twenty years from now. I am going to admit it: I have no purpose in this post except to bump this disgustingness to the top. No other justification, no argument to add. I just think, having been victimized myself by reading this perversion, I’m going to drag the rest of you down with me. Sorry. I had in mind an exit strategy for Sandusky that he was, of course, not man enough to take. Neither will this creep be, I fear, much though it would be the best of a bad situation. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/244 "2012-02-03T21:25:03Z")
Huerta88, your “poll” in IMHO has shown you are completely disingenuous. Thus unfortunately, you are making SA look good. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/245 "2012-02-03T21:27:37Z")
And the title of the Grossest Partisan Poster on the SDMB goes to… \*:::drum roll:::: \* **Starving Artist** – who’s also managed to come in second and third in said category. Congrats. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/246 "2012-02-03T21:33:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Huerta88, your “poll” in IMHO has shown you are completely disingenuous. > > Thus unfortunately, you are making SA look good. Nope. Far from it. If nothing else, I get the laffs of seeing his single lonesome vote for the most contorted unrealistic purported hearing of “fondling.” The fact that I have a point to prove (here) has nothing to do with the fact that I posted a neutral (and understood-clearly-by-95%-of-the-readers) poll (there) to gather anecdotal data in support of the (hardly needs to be said, if **SA** were not a perverted stubborn lunatic) modest proposition that fondling means, and always means, molesting to 99% of everyone in America, and Paterno gets no out on some imaginary distinction-without-a-difference between “fondling” and “sexual contact.” What’s your problem, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/247 "2012-02-03T21:42:45Z")
You posted a disingenuous “poll” with a OP that is basically a flat out lie in IMHO in order to prove some sort of point here in the PIT. SA is a troll at times, no doubt (but sometimes a fun troll) . You are a liar & a pissant. At least SA is honest in his strange opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/248 "2012-02-03T21:45:44Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > a OP that is basically a flat out lie First of all, dumbass, my OP is posed as a hypothetical. To the extent I rely on the results of the poll here, it is my job to convince the posters here that the hypothetical maps to the actual facts here and has relevance (hint: I’m not too worried about my ability to do so convincingly). Second of all, if the hypothetical in my poll were to be applied/compared to the facts of the PSU case (which you claim you haven’t followed, so I don’t know how you’d know), which part is a “flat out lie?” Don’t be a dumbass unless you’re prepeared to back it up, and think twice about supporting one of the sickest fuckers to make himself known in these parts. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/249 "2012-02-03T22:17:37Z")
Since this thread is, at this point, basically identical to the Paterno pit thread, I’m going to close this one. Feel free to carry any on-going arguments over to that thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405.md?page=12)