# If after 50 f'n pages, you are still trying to engage SA; YOU ARE DUMB!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2012, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405 "2012-02-01T09:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/41 "2012-02-01T16:58:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m not sure universal blocking of trolls is that wise an idea. Let’s say someone is constantly posts threads like “Give the pedophile Nazis a break!”, and the only responses are from the few that agree with the premise. Since we aren’t allowed to list those we block, a newbie checking in will see disgusting threads unopposed by other posters, making it look like the SDMB is a haven for assholes…which would also have the effect of attracting even more assholes. Agreed. Isn’t the mission of this board to fight ignorance? Ignoring ignorance just perpetuates it. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No! Keep engaging him, please. > > That thread is the most awesomest ever! Humping paper towel rolls! “Line up 100 ten year old boys” and ask them about anal sex! You can’t have sex with a short woman from behind! > > I literally laughed until I was crying over the “Line up 100 boys” bit. I mean, what kind of an ignorant fucknut is discussing sexual abuse of a young boy, and starts out an argument with “Line up 100 ten year old boys”? And then goes on to, yes, specifically suggest asking them how they would feel about being anally raped! > > The guy’s a fucking moron, and also the gift that can’t help itself from continuing to give. Indubitably. Watching that douchebag get his ass handed to him in every single debate is entertaining enough. But when he declares himself the victor while lying on the mat semiconscious, it becomes comedy gold. Sobbing in ATMB that a mod hurt his tender feelings is just the icing on the cake. I hope that thread never ends 😃 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/42 "2012-02-01T16:58:27Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > You obviously haven’t read the threads either. I can’t imagine that you would be supporting his crusade if you had. In fairness, **Shodan** has been rather occupied lately by his own multi-page thread celebrating his induction into the SDMB Hall of Feces. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/43 "2012-02-01T17:00:36Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > **SA** is perfectly free to make up whatever absurd scenarios he may like to explain away the offense, It is important, **Rhthmdvl** , to understand that in the last few pages (though he’s hinted at it before, by suggesting that for all we know, Sandusky really was just giving the boy “lessons in showering,” a claim his scumbag lawyer has actually made), **SA** is seriously suggesting or implying that Sandusky himself (not just Paterno, who he had earlier said was the only subject of his solicitude) did not do anything seriously wrong when he was standing directly behind a naked boy in a position that an intelligent eyewitness interpreted as “definitely some kind of intercourse” or (paraphrased elsewhere in the GJ report) "subject[ing] to anal intercourse). He seriously believes (or pretends to, or grossest of all, wants to) that this is, or could be, a-okay. It’s important to know who you might be suggesting cutting a break for (this applies to both **SA** and anyone who would suggest he’s getting a raw deal here). ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/44 "2012-02-01T17:02:13Z")
There are some good things coming out of that thread. For example, the paper towel tube test is quickly becoming a standard amongst crime investigators. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/45 "2012-02-01T17:11:08Z")
**Rhythmdvl** , here’s the short summary: 1. Many people felt Paterno should have done more like call the police, based on the nature of the report 2. Others think that, because he reported to his superiors who were supposed to call the police, he did enough There is a debate there with valid points on both sides. Then there is a separate group of people called **Starving Artist** , and we don’t really know where he stands, other than the fact that anything anyone else says or proposes as a valid point against Paterno is argued against - which leads him to bizarre territory, but it’s fun to follow him there. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/46 "2012-02-01T17:17:24Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > We have noted that his specific contention – that a tall man could not physically penetrate an average ten year old boy – is specious nonense. This is typical of the lies you’ve been telling throughout these threads. My contention is that someone of Sandusky’s height would be unable to engage in anal sex with an average ten-year-old in the position McQueary described. > [@Huerta88](#): > > He’s lied left right and center… Quite the contrary. If I wanted to take the time I could list at least two hundred lies you’ve told in the Paterno thread alone, and probably a great deal more. Neither you nor anyone else can point to a lie of mine. Oh, sure, you can claim some, but you can’t prove a one exists outside your fevered imagination, and each one I’d list would be demonstrably provable. You have in fact been the most deeply and prolifically dishonest poster in a thread full of dishonest posters. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/47 "2012-02-01T17:18:26Z")
I disagree. The best thing one can do for a troll is drag him out in the open and make sure everyone knows just how completely hopeless and stupid he is. That said, I don’t know that Starving Artist is a troll. But he’s certainly, as Miller correctly put it, a skeevy, intellectually dishonest moron. Just yesterday, I was thinking about starting a GQ thread, asking for a spot check on the SA’s assertion that Man on Boy rape violates the laws of physics. It doesn’t, obviously, but I wanted SA’s auto-de-fe to get a wider audience - just, you know, in case someone out there might encounter him in different threads and think that perhaps he had a shred of credibility. He doesn’t, obviously. I was too tired last night and resolved to pursue it this morning. So imagine how hard I laughed seeing that his bullshit had been dragged into the open in ATMB! And then he went and made his own thread about it, just in case there was someone who hadn’t yet smelled the bullshit! Really the more threads we have about this loser, the better for everyone. To that end, here’s a few of my favorite Starving Artist highlights: (links lead right to his posts, which I won’t quote although, I think I probably should, for posterity. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14710608#post14710608](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14710608#post14710608) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14711210&postcount=2329](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14711210&postcount=2329) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14714538&postcount=2386](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14714538&postcount=2386) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14723801&postcount=2421](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14723801&postcount=2421) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14724107&postcount=2426](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14724107&postcount=2426) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14724158&postcount=2431](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14724158&postcount=2431) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/48 "2012-02-01T17:22:19Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > I’m a bit hesitant to wade in, but I seem to be missing something. Off the bat, I should say that I have no interest in football and pay little mind to the RO of the Week, so I haven’t kept up on the gargantu-threads. > > Here’s my weak-assed perception: There are lots of very good, very plausible, and very convincing reasons to suspect that Paterno was diddling some boy in the particular instance in question (other charges don’t seem to directly play into this particular kerfuffle). SA has been sticking to a 12-Angry-Men-type argument, saying that despite all the other evidence, there is a rational, physical reason why said diddling could not have taken place. Again, I’ve only seen this from a distance, but it _seems_ that people have been engaging him by presenting more and more voracious arguments as to why the surrounding evidence is absolutely damning, while he is getting more and more explicit saying why it was physically impossible—that the surrounding evidence could have other, less diddly explanations. > > A problem is (in my understanding, which I’m posting here to have clarified) that in order to explain _why_ it was physically impossible, SA has to get somewhat graphic and direct. He’s been escalating because in his opinion no one has directly addressed his comments; people have gone back to the surrounding evidence. They’ve gotten skeeved because of his escalation in trying to explain, and then equating his descriptions with some ugly motivations that have nothing to do with what he’s trying to say. To put it another way, if SA was arguing that despite all other evidence to the contrary, Paterno could not be guilty because he was in another room (and here are the steps he’d have to take to get there), people would be accusing him of architectural leanings. Or something. > > Note: I’m not chiming in on the worth of either side, just what it seems like to a casual observer. > > How far off am I in my perceptions? Apart from confusing Paterno with Sandusky you are 100% on the money. And boy is it refreshing! ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/49 "2012-02-01T17:26:13Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Quite the contrary. If I wanted to take the time I could list at least two hundred lies you’ve told in the Paterno thread alone, and probably a great deal more. Neither you nor anyone else can point to a lie of mine. Oh, sure, you can claim some, but you can’t prove a one exists outside your fevered imagination, and each one I’d list would be demonstrably provable. You have in fact been the most deeply and prolifically dishonest poster in a thread full of dishonest posters. You said that no one had posted any authority for the proposition that it was criminal for a grown man to be naked in near proximity to/touching in any way an unrelated naked boy, despite your asking for it. I pointed out that three weeks ago I had posted the Pennsylvania indecent exposure statute, which **minimally** Sandusky was in clear violation of on the undisputed facts. You haven’t responded because to do so would require conceding that you, yes, lied like a rug when you made your claim that there was no such law and that your request for a citation to such a law had been ignored. Liar. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/50 "2012-02-01T17:29:21Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > I disagree. The best thing one can do for a troll is drag him out in the open and make sure everyone knows just how completely hopeless and stupid he is. That said, I don’t know that Starving Artist is a troll. But he’s certainly, as Miller correctly put it, a skeevy, intellectually dishonest moron. > > Just yesterday, I was thinking about starting a GQ thread, asking for a spot check on the SA’s assertion that Man on Boy rape violates the laws of physics. It doesn’t, obviously, but I wanted SA’s auto-de-fe to get a wider audience - just, you know, in case someone out there might encounter him in different threads and think that perhaps he had a shred of credibility. He doesn’t, obviously. > > I was too tired last night and resolved to pursue it this morning. So imagine how hard I laughed seeing that his bullshit had been dragged into the open in ATMB! And then he went and made his own thread about it, just in case there was someone who hadn’t yet smelled the bullshit! Really the more threads we have about this loser, the better for everyone. > > To that end, here’s a few of my favorite Starving Artist highlights: (links lead right to his posts, which I won’t quote although, I think I probably should, for posterity. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14710608#post14710608](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14710608#post14710608) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14711210&postcount=2329](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14711210&postcount=2329) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14714538&postcount=2386](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14714538&postcount=2386) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14723801&postcount=2421](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14723801&postcount=2421) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14724107&postcount=2426](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14724107&postcount=2426) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14724158&postcount=2431](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14724158&postcount=2431) Dear Dishonest, Imbecilic Maroon, I have never said that man on boy rape violates the law of physics. And when I claim to have won threads, it’s because my opponents are reduced to such fabrications to try to refute my arguments. Yours truly in moral and point of fact honesty, **Starving Artist** ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/51 "2012-02-01T17:29:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This is typical of the lies you’ve been telling throughout these threads. My contention is that someone of Sandusky’s height would be unable to engage in anal sex with an average ten-year-old in the position McQueary described. Did you read **MrDibbles** post in that thread in which he provides an example? Predicted responses: 1. No response (38% chance) 2. Question **MrDibbles** credibility (20%) 3. Attempt to imply unstated differences between the situations (42%) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/52 "2012-02-01T17:32:02Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > There are some good things coming out of that thread. For example, the paper towel tube test is quickly becoming a standard amongst crime investigators. Consider yourself lucky thay I didn’t go with my first impulse which was a toilet paper tube. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/53 "2012-02-01T17:36:13Z")
I’m afraid I’ve completely missed the thread in question. (I’ll wait till it’s made into a movie, then just watch the theatrical trailer.) When I saw “SA … FFS … 50 pages” I assumed the discussion was about global warming, though that couldn’t be right: aggregating all threads in which SA questions AGW must be far far more than 50 pages by now. However, I see it has something to do with football so I’m going to ask “Who keeps moving the goal posts?” And, “What do scientists need to falsify the [whatever], since the next boy wasn’t anally raped, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, …nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, nor the boy before that, …” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/54 "2012-02-01T17:40:51Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > Did you read **MrDibbles** post in that thread… I did just now and can’t help but suspect there were material differences involved. Naturally I chose not to quiz him on the specifics. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/55 "2012-02-01T17:43:14Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > Predicted responses: > > 1. No response (38% chance) > 2. Question MrDibbles credibility (20%) > **3) Attempt to imply unstated differences between the situations (42%)** > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I did just now and can’t help but suspect there were material differences involved. Naturally I chose not to quiz him on the specifics. BOOM! Point RaftPeople! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/56 "2012-02-01T17:45:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And boy is it refreshing! An odd comment in a thread discussing the anal rape of multiple minors. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/57 "2012-02-01T17:49:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I did just now and can’t help but suspect there were material differences involved. Naturally I chose not to quiz him on the specifics. Shy about specifics now, eh? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/58 "2012-02-01T17:55:48Z")
Haven’t read the relevant portions. I’m not quite rational when it comes to questions of the sexual exploitation of children, had I witnessed the event in question, I don’t know if I would have reached for a phone or for a tire iron. I’m surprised however that **SA** did not reach for his Old Reliable, and blame the whole thing on drug-addled liberal hippies and our degradation of moral culture in locker rooms. How very odd. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/59 "2012-02-01T17:57:12Z")
Honestly, I think what we have here is a case of epic denial. For SA, Paterno represents the best of a generation that he thinks of as “the grownups”, when This Shit Didn’t Happen. Taking that as an absolute, he has to try to find as many possible ways to show that’s true, because each way is it’s own comfort. So we have: Nothing bad was happening in that shower. Even if it was, it could not possibly be rape, so it wasn’t all that bad. Even if it was rape, Paterno couldn’t have possibly understood that from what he was told. Even if he did understand it, he more than did his job when he reported it. So it didn’t happen four different ways, and whenever one is attacked, he falls back on another. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/60 "2012-02-01T17:58:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Shy about specifics now, eh? Well, if he doesn’t ask, he can just make up stuff later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405.md?page=4)