# If after 50 f'n pages, you are still trying to engage SA; YOU ARE DUMB!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2012, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405 "2012-02-01T09:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/61 "2012-02-01T18:08:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I’m surprised however that **SA** did not reach for his Old Reliable, and blame the whole thing on drug-addled liberal hippies and our degradation of moral culture in locker rooms. How very odd. Quite the reverse. Untoward touching in the showers is probably a time-honored tradition, which the drug-addled hippies mostly stopped (they like their sex more in the open, I guess). I can see how **SA** would want society to go back to a time when men touching little boys forcefully would go back to the good ole days of being hidden and physically improbable. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/62 "2012-02-01T18:28:05Z")
Wow! It must be child rape month now! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/63 "2012-02-01T18:30:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And boy is it refreshing! Are you quoting Sandusky? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/64 "2012-02-01T18:44:38Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > Nothing bad was happening in that shower. > Even if it was, it could not possibly be rape, so it wasn’t all that bad. > Even if it was rape, Paterno couldn’t have possibly understood that from what he was told. > Even if he did understand it, he more than did his job when he reported it. Dayenu! ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/65 "2012-02-01T19:02:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I have never said that man on boy rape violates the law of physics. This was one of my favorite exchanges in the thread. I’ve condensed it here, so that replies follow exact replies, but include links to each individual post so people can follow and see for themselves. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > [post #2294](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14710608&postcount=2294) > > Do you really think a six-foot, three-inch sixty-something man could be having full-blown penetrative anal sex with a ten-year old boy in the manner McQueary thought he saw? To achieve penetration and thrusting action the man would have to be squatting so far down that his ass would be closer to the ground than his knees and he’d fall over backwards, pulling the kid with him - not to mention that his leg and back muscles would never stand the strain. > > Where is your critical thinking? I don’t know what McQueary heard (or for how long he heard it)- maybe just the slapping of feet on the floor attendant to wrestling, playing keep-a-way with the soap, or some sort of sexual activity not anal rape. Who knows what it was? But one thing I’d put money on is that it wasn’t penetrative anal sex. > [@Guinistasia](#): > > [post #2296](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14710664&postcount=2296) > > You sure seem to know a LOT about child rape, don’t you? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > [post #2300](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14710752&postcount=2300) > > No dear, just a layman’s understanding of physics. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/66 "2012-02-01T19:36:12Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > This was one of my favorite exchanges in the thread. I’ve condensed it here, so that replies follow exact replies, but include links to each individual post so people can follow and see for themselves. Oh, the little bitch is going to come back and say of course there’s adult on boy anal rape, he never said there wasn’t, it’s just that a **6’ 3"** man couldn’t possible penetrate a ten year old from behind. It’s just physics. He has never specified the maximum height a man could be and rape a ten year old boy, nor revealed his formula for ruling out 6’ 3" men. It’s just common sense! McQueary testified in December that the victim (whom he saw from about six feet away, being subjected to “some sort of intercourse” by Sandusky) was “about a foot shorter.” Apparently that is the magical height differential that makes sex from behind **impossible.** Despite the fact that many taller male posters here have likely hit it from behind with considerably shorter adult female partners in the shower – show of hands, TMI be damned. Despite the fact that an actual victim said in the main thread that he was Sandusky’d as a runty eight year old by an adult man (presumably of average height). Googling around revealed that this troll **SA** , or someone UNCANNILY like him in retarded logic and deceitfulness, was polluting the PennLive boards back in December. Look for the posts by “Pritio Metrif.” [http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/ask\_your\_questions\_about\_the\_j/3032/comments-newest-6.html](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/ask_your_questions_about_the_j/3032/comments-newest-6.html) It almost **has to** be the same guy, no (complete with the gratuitous and fabricated (and preposterous)) assertion that the victim was “three feet tall,” the height of my four year old niece, when she was three). On the reasonable speculation that it is the same troll, note that, in that more pro-PSU forum, he was actually willing to accuse McQueary of fabricating the whole story to clear the way for him to rise through the coaching ranks by framing good ol Jerry. I say same troll, or else the troll genome expresses with remarkable consistency. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/67 "2012-02-01T20:00:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I’m surprised however that **SA** did not reach for his Old Reliable He did. His hand has been stroking his Old Reliable throughout that entire thread. He also reached for some young boys’ chocolate covered cherries at a 711. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/68 "2012-02-01T20:53:28Z")
Point of physics. The inseam of a pair of size 10 boy’s pants is 25". Men’s inseams are 30-34" with 34 being a very tall man. This leaves a nine inch difference. The specific claim is the coach would “have to be squatting so far down that his ass would be closer to the ground than his knees”. This means his pelvis is no more than half the adult inseam height during the attempted copulation. If the man’s pelvis is 15-17" above the floor, and the boy’s is 25" then copulation would be difficult indeed. Conclusion: A tall man would not “have to be squatting so far down that his ass would be closer to the ground than his knees” to achieve the necessary height for anal penetration of a ten year old boy. I’m sure this kind of argument was made in the other thread, but frankly I’m completely uninterested in reading it, and the concept of a physics-based defense for Sandusky needs debunking any time it comes up. On a general note, I find the kind of tortured physics **Starving Artist** is using completely unhelpful. Physics is good for many things, but it’s not so armchair CSI techs can evaluate claims of specific crimes committed years ago with no knowledge of the individual participants. It’s almost as stupid as the huge hijack over the validity of interracial rape statistics being applied to the specifics of the Duke Lacrosse case. The evidence isn’t a single data point and to act as if some specific data point, correct or incorrect, holds sway over the entire case is a monumental error of logic. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/69 "2012-02-01T21:04:19Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Oh, the little bitch is going to come back and say of course there’s adult on boy anal rape, he never said there wasn’t, it’s just that a **6’ 3"** man couldn’t possible penetrate a ten year old from behind. It’s just physics. He has never specified the maximum height a man could be and rape a ten year old boy, nor revealed his formula for ruling out 6’ 3" men. It’s just common sense! Oh, right, right. I only quoted it for comedy’s sake. > [@](#): > > Googling around revealed that this troll **SA** , or someone UNCANNILY like him in retarded logic and deceitfulness, was polluting the PennLive boards back in December. Look for the posts by “Pritio Metrif.” > > [http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/ask\_your\_questions\_about\_the\_j/3032/comments-newest-6.html](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/ask_your_questions_about_the_j/3032/comments-newest-6.html) > > It almost **has to** be the same guy, no (complete with the gratuitous and fabricated (and preposterous)) assertion that the victim was “three feet tall,” the height of my four year old niece, when she was three). On the reasonable speculation that it is the same troll, note that, in that more pro-PSU forum, he was actually willing to accuse McQueary of fabricating the whole story to clear the way for him to rise through the coaching ranks by framing good ol Jerry. > > I say same troll, or else the troll genome expresses with remarkable consistency. Nice catch! ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/70 "2012-02-01T21:13:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I thought I was the only one who got those. Is there a name for that strip? [Hangnail](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hangnail) ETA: Eh, unless this was a _WHOOOOSH_, in which case, nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/71 "2012-02-01T21:17:04Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Wow! It must be child rape month now! Its February already? Jeez, where does the time go? Can’t believe its been a year since the first rape month. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/72 "2012-02-01T21:25:22Z")
I hate to think what we’ll be raping next year at this time. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/73 "2012-02-01T21:52:13Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Nice catch! Here’s the link to all his posts, including another reference to a “three foot boy” and the claim that McQueary was definitely lying, his “story” was falling apart, he did it to get Sandusky’s job, and a FOAF story about someone falsely imprisoned for three years for “allegedly sexually harassing a woman.” [http://connect.pennlive.com/user/pritio\_metrif/index.html](http://connect.pennlive.com/user/pritio_metrif/index.html) > [@](#): > > Accusing people of sexual molestation with the goal of collecting a wad of cash is an entrenched practice in our society. A good friend of mine told me of a co-worker of his that served 4 years in prison for allegedly sexually harassing a woman. Later the woman admitted she made > the story up, and confessed to her lie because she didn’t want Jesus to punish her. Just think of how easy it would be if you were a wealthy person running a charity for children for someone trying to collect some bucks from your charity to claim that you molested their son. Imagine if an ad was then run asking people to come forth if they were molested by you. > > Many people can be blinded by greed, especially in economic times like these. It is likely that after Sandusky was accused of molesting a child, some people felt that they could make money by making similar claims. > [@](#): > > I have noticed though that many men when they see a naked child near them run away probably because they are afraid that they could be accused of molesting the child by some greedy parent looking to make some money on the side; I have heard a few of them joke about this in the sauna. The kids have no idea why the men run away when they are near. I am wondering if this response could eventually hurt the development of a child. **Not** naked showering with boys could well harm their development! No amount of money will convince me it’s not the same author, though I suspect he’ll lie about that too. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/74 "2012-02-01T22:06:12Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Quite the reverse. Untoward touching in the showers is probably a time-honored tradition, which the drug-addled hippies mostly stopped (they like their sex more in the open, I guess) Don’t be daft. They like their sex _in the mud_, he’s told us a million times. Showers remove mud. Ergo, hippie permissiveness can never take root in the showers of a university. Maybe \*\*SA \*\*should petition that his bridge be moved to the nearest shower stall ? He could wrap himself in a protective [del]blanket[/del]shower curtain of fear. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/75 "2012-02-01T22:48:36Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Wow! It must be child rape month now! > > > [@bucketybuck](#): > > > > Its February already? Jeez, where does the time go? Can’t believe its been a year since the first rape month. I’m rather annoyed that they chose the shortest month of the year as Rape Month. At least we get 29 days this year. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/76 "2012-02-01T22:52:09Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’m rather annoyed that they chose the shortest month of the year as Rape Month. At least we get 29 days this year. A silver lining to this month’s too short rape-cloud. Silver like the color of Sandusky’s hair! ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/77 "2012-02-01T23:13:56Z")
I think this has to be the fourth Starving Artist related thread. How about some of you grow some proverbial balls and just ignore the guy if he bothers you that much? This includes the topic starter. (And, no, he doesn’t bother me any and, no, it’s not because he’s a conservative/conservative leaning poster.) ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/78 "2012-02-01T23:16:46Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’m rather annoyed that they chose the shortest month of the year as Rape Month. At least we get 29 days this year. But tomorrow’s Groundhog’s Day! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/79 "2012-02-01T23:20:11Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I think this has to be the fourth Starving Artist related thread. How about some of you grow some proverbial balls and just ignore the guy if he bothers you that much? This includes the topic starter. It’s hard to ignore a guy who seems like he _could_ be intelligent but is putting out some very disagreeable stuff. I mean, you’re very easy to ignore, for example. But with guys like SA you get the sense that if you just explained something a certain way it’d finally click. At least, you get that sense the first few times you talk to him. It gets easier to ignore him the more shit he spews. > [@](#): > > (And, no, he doesn’t bother me any and, no, it’s not because he’s a conservative/conservative leaning poster.) Yes it is. You have to be either ultra-partisan or completely bursar to not be bothered by SA. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/80 "2012-02-01T23:28:16Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I think this has to be the fourth Starving Artist related thread. How about some of you grow some proverbial balls and just ignore the guy if he bothers you that much? This includes the topic starter. It’s easy to ignore somebody. I wouldn’t want to only see that the only people who responded being those who agreed with him. To the wider world, that’s an implicit acceptance that his arguments make at least some sense. And that’s just not true. I’d take the reverse tack. If they started ignoring him in those on-going threads, I’d say there was a distinct lack of courage on their parts. > [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > and, no, it’s not because he’s a conservative/conservative leaning poster.) This is either a big load of BS or you’re not particularly bothered by defense of child rape. Before the Sandusky stuff came up, I didn’t mind **SA** too much in any other thread. His reasoning was definitely a bit off, but there wasn’t too much that was controversial. But when his pitiful reasoning extended to a ludicrous defense of child rape involving denial, arguments based on bad physics, and an acceptance of inappropriate sexual contact as long as it didn’t involve full penetration, it crossed a lot of poster’s lines, if only for the poor logic if not also the complete immorality of the statements. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405.md?page=5)