# If Ann Coulter Weren't Such a Bitch, You Might See Her Point **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 14, 2006, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671 "2006-06-14T13:02:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/41 "2006-06-16T03:18:06Z")
Ah, okay, it _was_ about the press. She still should’ve used “griefstapo” somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/42 "2006-06-16T06:13:13Z")
> [@Dumbguy](#): > > If you have a taste for malnourished tranny ghouls. No kidding. Her obituary will start out, “Noted author and female impersonator Ann Coulter…” ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/43 "2006-06-17T00:54:30Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Ah, okay, it _was_ about the press. She still should’ve used “griefstapo” somewhere. And of course, Colbert would try to work griefistas in there somewhere ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/44 "2006-06-19T11:51:56Z")
The Queen of Mean has outdone herself. She said of John Murtha “The reason soldiers invented ‘fragging’”. This from [Editor and Publisher.](http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002689569) This is so far beyond contempt that words fail to describe it adequately. Not to worry, she hasn’t forgotten her usual targets. > [@](#): > > Coulter’s latest column on Friday declared, among other things, " that two facts are now universally accepted – liberals are godless and Hillary’s husband is a rapist." ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/45 "2006-06-19T15:19:03Z")
Anyone that could be THIS dishonest: [http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/06/anne\_coulter\_cl\_1.html](http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/06/anne_coulter_cl_1.html) has no right to be credited for making any points whatsoever, anywhere. I’m so glad that someone vile, unthinking, lazy, and apparently a serial plagerizer, occasionally manages to say something that isn’t flat out wrong. But being able to occasionally do that isn’t even the barest of qualifications for a decent human being, much less someone anyone should listen to about anything. The fact that “principled” people on the right scoff at her in polite company, while meanwhile the right wing press and establishment figures revel in her popularity isn’t exactly impressive either. Yes, yes. Just like Pat Robertson… she has NOTHING to do with mainstream Republicans or what they think. They just buy her work in droves, promote her ideas like crazy, apologize for her, make her the most popular speakers at their conferences, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/46 "2006-06-19T16:20:39Z")
Ann Coulter serves two purposes for conservatives. She’s a voice for the genuinely insane conservatives. And for the more moderate conservatives, she serves as a contrast - they can point at her and say, compared to her, people like Limbaugh and O’Reilly are voices of reason. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/47 "2006-06-19T16:35:21Z")
And yet, somehow, she still gets invited to the Christmas party (oh wait, sorry: the “War on Christmas” party). ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/48 "2006-06-19T23:18:07Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > The fact that “principled” people on the right scoff at her in polite company, while meanwhile the right wing press and establishment figures revel in her popularity isn’t exactly impressive either. Yes, yes. Just like Pat Robertson… she has NOTHING to do with mainstream Republicans or what they think. They just buy her work in droves, promote her ideas like crazy, apologize for her, make her the most popular speakers at their conferences, and so on. This is an excellent point, and it’s pretty much my number one concern about the republican party specifically and the conservative movement in general. _Someone_ is making her popular. _Someone_ is listening. _Someone_ is syndicating her columns. Any republican who claims that Ann Coulter doesn’t represent them is fooling himself. She may not represent _him_ personally, but statistically speaking, most of his friends would have to be at least _somewhat_ enthralled. When Ann has to pay a college to get it to care enough to book her, when her books debut at #127 on the charts for a day before sinking like Natalie Wood, and when she’s forced back into a busy law practice due to lack of interest in her columns, _then_ I’ll believe that she doesn’t represent the republicans. Until then, as far as I’m concerned, she’s showing them the one true path. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/49 "2006-06-19T23:45:39Z")
> [@Linty Fresh](#): > > Any republican who claims that Ann Coulter doesn’t represent them is fooling himself. That, or _trying_ to fool us silly liberals. Coulter’s every bit as republican as the corpse of Ronald Reagan. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/50 "2006-06-19T23:54:08Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Coulter’s every bit as republican as the corpse of Ronald Reagan. She just smells better, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Asylum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@Asylum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asylum)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2006, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/51 "2006-06-20T00:51:36Z")
> [@Linty Fresh](#): > > This is an excellent point, and it’s pretty much my number one concern about the republican party specifically and the conservative movement in general. _Someone_ is making her popular. _Someone_ is listening. _Someone_ is syndicating her columns. Any republican who claims that Ann Coulter doesn’t represent them is fooling himself. She may not represent _him_ personally, but statistically speaking, most of his friends would have to be at least _somewhat_ enthralled. That’s ridiculous. Controversy sells, and it not only helps sell Coulter’s books, but reporting on her helps sell newspapers and television advertising time, hence all the press she gets, which in turns helps her to sell more books, which causes more press, ad infinitum. We all know the claims she makes because, agree with her not, they _are_ attention grabbing. And this controversy is what allows her to get speaking engagements even at historically liberal colleges. I seem to recall her getting smacked in the face with a pie at least once while speaking, so I think that it’s safe to assume that not everyone who shows up at her talks agree with her. And even the number of books she sells isn’t that phenomenal, because according to this [NTY article](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/business/media/12carr.html?ex=1150862400&en=6bcce530e9b96d3d&ei=5070) (registration required) she’s sold around an average of 500,000 copies of each of her books (my quicky math). While those sales are great for an author and publisher financially, it means that only about 500,000 people have read any given book by her, which is hardly the majority of the Republican Party. Statistically speaking it would be easy for a Republican to have none of his friends be enthralled by Coulter. Asylum, who’s not a Republican and doesn’t like Ann Coulter. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2006, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/52 "2006-06-20T02:06:09Z")
Considering my earlier mention of Bill O’Reilly, I should point out that to his credit he has emphatically denounced Coulter for her recent remarks. [http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009](http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009) ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2006, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/53 "2006-06-20T02:12:16Z")
> [@Asylum](#): > > That’s ridiculous. Controversy sells, and it not only helps sell Coulter’s books, but reporting on her helps sell newspapers and television advertising time, hence all the press she gets, which in turns helps her to sell more books, which causes more press, ad infinitum. We all know the claims she makes because, agree with her not, they _are_ attention grabbing. > > And this controversy is what allows her to get speaking engagements even at historically liberal colleges. I seem to recall her getting smacked in the face with a pie at least once while speaking, so I think that it’s safe to assume that not everyone who shows up at her talks agree with her. > > And even the number of books she sells isn’t that phenomenal, because according to this [NTY article](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/business/media/12carr.html?ex=1150862400&en=6bcce530e9b96d3d&ei=5070) (registration required) she’s sold around an average of 500,000 copies of each of her books (my quicky math). While those sales are great for an author and publisher financially, it means that only about 500,000 people have read any given book by her, which is hardly the majority of the Republican Party. Statistically speaking it would be easy for a Republican to have none of his friends be enthralled by Coulter. > > Asylum, who’s not a Republican and doesn’t like Ann Coulter. OK, so maybe I misspoke and she doesn’t represent the _majority_ of republicans. Still, 500,000 is not a small number. 500,000 books sold _and_ a syndicated column, _and_ speaking engagements (where many people give her standing ovations after the speech), _and_ TV appearances make for an influential voice. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it here: 20 years ago, Ann’s screeds would be relegated to a 1/8" ad in the back of **Soldier of Fortune**. Now her face is everywhere, and I don’t think it’s just because she’s outrageous. Ann is talking, and quite a few people are listening. ---
**Author:** ![Azov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Azov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azov)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/54 "2006-06-24T01:09:56Z")
I can’t find it now, but I believe DailyKos had an article about an Ann Coulter poll; only about 15% of the country knew who she was, but the majority who knew who she was held a favorable opinion of her. ---
**Author:** ![DonutSprinkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@DonutSprinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonutSprinkle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671/55 "2006-06-24T02:53:18Z")
> [@Azov](#): > > I can’t find it now, but I believe DailyKos had an article about an Ann Coulter poll; only about 15% of the country knew who she was, but the majority who knew who she was held a favorable opinion of her. 15%? [Screw them](http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=10440). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-ann-coulter-werent-such-a-bitch-you-might-see-her-point/360671.md?page=2)