# If Bush had authorized the Libya no-fly ops, you liberals would have been screaming in protest... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548 "2011-03-22T01:24:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/21 "2011-03-22T07:27:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its religious. Ghadaffi is a Sunni Moslem, and Obama is a Shia. Good job. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/22 "2011-03-22T08:30:57Z")
Posters in this thread have already debunked the silly thesis of OP. Letā€™s also note that some Republican Congressmen, including the prestigious Richard G. Lugar, are vocally opposing Obamaā€™s actions in Libya despite the unanimous Senate resolution of March 1. Did these Republicans also oppose The Great Crusade to Bring Freedom and Starbucks Coffee to Iraq? Lugar is considered a ā€œmaverickā€ but he is not the single Republican Senator who [voted against the Trillion-Dollar Blunder](http://usliberals.about.com/od/liberalleadership/a/IraqNayVote.htm). Hoist on your own petard there, **Cosmic Relief**. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/23 "2011-03-22T09:33:29Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I hate Obama doing No Fly. I am a Lib so you are wrong. Bush would have been in there 2 weeks ago. Bush listened to neocon war mongers who never saw a war they didnā€™t like. Obama took the time to get UN approval and Arab league sanction. That is not enough for me, but most people are satisfied with that. Pretty much _anything_ the US did would cause screams somewhere. America stepping in, screaming, America staying out, screaming. Havenā€™t you noticed that trend yet? And the same goes for Obama personally [as president], if he does action A, people scream, if he does action B, people scream. Nature of American politics. [Just as a wild toss here, Obama took over a country with the finances fucked by the previous decade of political bullshit, people scream about how he screwed the economy. I donā€™t see how he is responsible for Madoff, it wasnā€™t him in office when Madoff fucked the country over. No matter what Obama did, other than personally cut a check paying off every mortgage in the country and giving every little girl a pony people would scream about his presidencey.] ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/24 "2011-03-22T10:10:32Z")
> [@L. G. Butts](#): > > Personally, I think the no fly zone sucks. It pisses me off and Obama using France and GB as political cover does fool me for an instant. That said, I always recognized that Obama was somewhat a imperialist (or at least a statist) so I am no too surprised. Are you sure thatā€™s how it played? The way the story is told over here is that Sarkozy got Cameron to help him get the UNSC vote and to get US help or at least its cover. Not Obama using proxy Euro leaders to do what he had decided in the first place, and on his own. From European newspapers, Obama followed here (you can say that he followed stupidly or smartly) but he sure didnt lead. You got a different version in the US? ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/25 "2011-03-22T10:32:18Z")
> [@Cosmic Relief](#): > > ā€¦ which I know because the tooth fairy just rode in on his unicorn from Bushā€™s third term and told me so. Take that, you hypocritical hypocrites. It appears that even these beautiful phrases were not enough to make the tone of your OP clear to most dopers. Better luck next time. I smiled FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/26 "2011-03-22T11:46:50Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Bush would have been in there 2 weeks ago. Yes, but on whose side? ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/27 "2011-03-22T11:51:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its religious. Ghadaffi is a Sunni Moslem, and Obama is a Shia. [I think you spelled that wrong.](http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/08/alg_chia.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/28 "2011-03-22T11:57:55Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Are you sure thatā€™s how it played? The way the story is told over here is that Sarkozy got Cameron to help him get the UNSC vote and to get US help or at least its cover. Not Obama using proxy Euro leaders to do what he had decided in the first place, and on his own. > From European newspapers, Obama followed here (you can say that he followed stupidly or smartly) but he sure didnt lead. You got a different version in the US? The news here is making this look like a US-led operation. Personally, I believe your version. Obama is a rather indecisive leader. Hell, he hasnā€™t even set his budget priorities yet, and even Democrats are getting pissed off about it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/29 "2011-03-22T13:17:07Z")
Damn unfunded wars! Why you guys worship this knucklehead is beyond meā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/30 "2011-03-22T13:23:24Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Damn unfunded wars! > > Why you guys worship this knucklehead is beyond meā€¦ :dubious: Whoā€™s worshipping? I donā€™t HATE Obama, but I donā€™t think heā€™s been half as effective as he seemed to promise to be in 2008. Part of that is the rabid, insane, constant opposition from the right, but part of it is that heā€™s just not a liberal. Period. He talked like one during the campaign, but heā€™s governed as a center-rightist. The ā€œworship/messiahā€ meme is mostly a right-wing canard. You may be able to find a blogger or columnist or two on the left who feel that way, but itā€™s not widespread. If anything, Obama has been kind of disappointing to the left.\* \*And yes, if I had to do it again, all circumstances being the same, I would, because as disappointing as Obama is, McCain/Palin is just terrifying. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/31 "2011-03-22T15:43:09Z")
Lotsa daylight between acknowledging that heā€™s better than a Pubbie could be and ā€œworshippingā€ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/32 "2011-03-22T15:52:09Z")
The confusion probably arises from our response that McCain/Palin werenā€™t elected. You know, stuff like ā€œThank God!ā€, ā€œPraise the Lord!ā€, ā€œHallelujahā€, stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/33 "2011-03-22T16:03:59Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Damn unfunded wars! > > Why you guys worship this knucklehead is beyond meā€¦ Who worships Obama? What alternate universe do you inhabit, Fox News World? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/34 "2011-03-22T17:16:08Z")
My guess is **Mr Smashy** , like the OP, was being sarcastic and nobody got it. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/35 "2011-03-22T17:22:26Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > My guess is **Mr Smashy** , like the OP, was being sarcastic and nobody got it. Sarcastic yes; probably also gently poking us liberals with a convenient pointy stick. Seems to have got the reaction I presume **Smashy** was wanting. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/36 "2011-03-22T18:42:25Z")
Am I missing something here (I seem to be saying that a lot latelyā€¦I think old age is finally making me senile)? I though Cosmic Relief was a ā€˜liberalā€™, and it seems to me the OP is a whoosh aimed at knee jerking right wing anti-Obama types. Everyone else in this thread seems to think otherwise though, so is it just me?? -XT ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/37 "2011-03-22T18:52:27Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Am I missing something here (I seem to be saying that a lot latelyā€¦I think old age is finally making me senile)? I though Cosmic Relief was a ā€˜liberalā€™, and it seems to me the OP is a whoosh aimed at knee jerking right wing anti-Obama types. Everyone else in this thread seems to think otherwise though, so is it just me?? > > -XT Did you miss **kaylasdad99** , **Nancarrow** and **Revtim** ā€™s posts? (Itā€™s not just you.) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/38 "2011-03-22T18:53:46Z")
They were all too subtle for me (IOW, yeahā€¦I missed them or I didnā€™t really see what they were saying there). Glad it wasnā€™t just me. šŸ™‚ -XT ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/39 "2011-03-22T21:09:56Z")
Bah. I canā€™t keep up with everyoneā€™s political leanings and try to discern what threads are or arenā€™t satire/parody. So just cuz Iā€™m feeling grumpy today and this \*is \*the Pit: Why donā€™t all of you, regardless of political affiliation or lack thereof, grab something nearby and shove it up your arses. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548/40 "2011-03-22T21:26:51Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > There was very little opposition on the left to Bushā€™s invasion of Afghanistan. > [@](#): > > On September 29, 2001, as many as 20,000 people demonstrated in Washington, DC, USA, denouncing the impending invasion of Afghanistan. The protests were organized by the recently formed A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition. Thousands gathered at Meridian Hill Park (Malcolm X Park) and marched downtown, while elsewhere members of the Anti-Capitalist Convergence clashed briefly with police on their way to Edward R. Murrow park, across from the headquarters of the World Bank and the IMF. Both groups of marchers converged on a rally at the Freedom Plaza.[1] > > In San Francisco, USA, almost 10,000 people converged on a park in San Franciscoā€™s Mission District to denounce the Bush administrationā€™s plans for military intervention in Afghanistan.[2] > > In Los Angeles, USA, roughly 2,500 protesters marched through the streets of Westwood.[3] > > In New York City, USA, 3,000 to 5,000 people took part in a peace march at Union Square.[4] > > Demonstrations were also held in the Netherlands, Spain and Greece. Over 10,000 people filled Amsterdamā€™s central square, the Dam, for an open air meeting with ā€œJustice, not revengeā€ as the main slogan of the protest. It was the largest peace action in the Netherlands since the 1980s, when half a million people marched against the deployment of NATO missiles in their country.[4] > > In Barcelona, Spain, 5,000 people attended a rally and marched behind a banner that read: ā€œNo More Victimsā€”For Peace.ā€ The protesters urged the Spanish government not to support any US military intervention or NATO retaliation.[4] > > On October 1, 2001, several thousand protesters demonstrated in New York City, USA, against any military offensive in response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in New York and near Washington. Sporting buttons that said ā€œDonā€™t Turn Tragedy into Warā€ and ā€œOur Grief Is Not a Cry for Warā€, many protesters argued that the attacks were not an act of war but a criminal act to be dealt with through the international justice system.[5] > > On October 7, 2001, 10,000 to 12,000 people turned out in New York City, USA, to oppose the Bush administrationā€™s so-called war on terrorism. The group marched from Union Square to Times Square, cheering the police at the beginning of the march. The list of about twelve speakers was cut to three or four by the police, and they were herded at the end into a one-lane-wide ā€œbullpenā€. > > The October 7 March was only the latest in a string of anti-war protests in major USA cities and on college campuses. Demonstrations also took place in other countries around the world in recent days, including in Paris, France, where 5,000 people marched from the Place de la Republique to the Place de Nation to protest military action by the US.[1][6] > > On October 13, 2001, more than 20,000 people joined the UKā€™s biggest protest yet against military action in Afghanistan by the USA and its allies. Turn-out was twice as big as had been expected by organisers, with the noisy but peaceful march through London culminating in a rally at Trafalgar Square.[7][8] > > In Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom, around 1,500 people gathered in George Square for a rally against the military action in Afghanistan.[7] > > In Germany more than 25,000 protesters took to the streets in cities across the country. In Berlin, the largest demonstration drew 15,000 people to the central square in a rally that followed several marches throughout the city under the banner ā€œNo war ā€” stand up for peaceā€.[7][8] > > In Sweden the biggest demonstration took place in Gothenburg, where more than 2,500 people marched through the city.[7] > > In San Francisco, USA, 10,000 people took to the streets, while a rally in Washington Square in New York City, USA, attracted some 700 people.[8] > > In Australia, thousands of people demonstrated in the cities of Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide.[7] > > On October 14, 2001, hundreds of thousands of peace protesters in Italy and India called for an end to the bombing of Afghanistan. More than 200,000 demonstrators took part in the peace march from the central Italian town of Perugia to Assisi, with protesters shouting ā€œStop the terrorism against Afghanistanā€, ā€œWe want peace not warā€, and chanting slogans attacking George Bush, the United States president.[9] > > In India, 70,000 people in Calcutta staged the biggest anti-war protest the country had ever seen. The protesters marched more than 7.5 miles through the city, entertained by performers who sang anti-war folk songs.[9] [Cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29). Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-bush-had-authorized-the-libya-no-fly-ops-you-liberals-would-have-been-screaming-in-protest/575548.md?page=3)