# If Donald Trump is involved in ordering a hit on Yovanavitch, that's certainly impeachable right? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 15, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452 "2020-01-15T14:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/61 "2020-01-15T23:28:31Z")
News of her murder would be fake news. It would be a tragic accident. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/62 "2020-01-15T23:37:43Z")
And she probably deserved it anyway. So sayeth Faux News, right? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/63 "2020-01-16T00:18:39Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Hyde was reporting he already had her under surveillance. So why would he be acting like it was something he was going to do? And why would he be discussing prices with the watchers to do something they had already done? > > From the context, the most obvious conclusion is that Hyde had placed Yovanavitch under surveillance as just a preliminary step in the overall plan. And now that he had accomplished this, he was working on the next step. Something which was going to cost him more money and involved knowing when Yovanavitch would be out in the open and what kind of security protection she had. Based off that Mother Jones article linked on the first page, I wouldn’t entirely rule out the possibility that Hyde was “surveiling” Yovanavitch by staring at the closed door of an unplugged microwave oven. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/64 "2020-01-16T01:38:53Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I’ll be the first to say Trump probably didn’t order her murdered. He isn’t reckless enough to court that kind of blowback, not consciously anyway. > > However, he does have the nerve to indiscriminately hire the worst sorts of goons and direct them with vague messaging like “whatever it takes”, not really caring what it takes, yet feeling insulated because he didn’t spell it out. “Will no one rid me of this bothersome ambassador?” That sounds familiar. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/65 "2020-01-16T01:49:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Based off that Mother Jones article linked on the first page, I wouldn’t entirely rule out the possibility that Hyde was “surveiling” Yovanavitch by staring at the closed door of an unplugged microwave oven. It should work if it’s a Radarange. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/66 "2020-01-16T02:23:42Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > “Will no one rid me of this bothersome ambassador?” That sounds familiar. I’ve heard “meddlesome,” “troublesome,” and now “bothersome,” and frankly it’s making me ill. It’s ”TURBULENT” (dammit). We’re Dopers, we ought to be able to get it right. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/67 "2020-01-16T03:49:19Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’ve heard “meddlesome,” “troublesome,” and now “bothersome,” and frankly it’s making me ill. It’s ”TURBULENT” (dammit). We’re Dopers, we ought to be able to get it right. Presumably Henry said it in twelfth-century French (if he even said it at all), so it’s not like there’s a single right way to phrase it in modern English 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/68 "2020-01-16T03:55:29Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > But now I’m starting to lean to the explanation that he’s a mentally unwell guy who got Parnas’s contact information and Parnas probably wants him to go away. Parnas’s lawyer said as much in a [Tweet](https://twitter.com/KaraScannell/status/1217445205676384256), denying that Parnas was involved in any surveillance and saying that they believe Hyde’s “activities to be a reflection on his dubious mental state.” Ah yes, “The Chin” Gambit. It’s worked before… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/69 "2020-01-16T06:52:25Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Based off that Mother Jones article linked on the first page, I wouldn’t entirely rule out the possibility that Hyde was “surveiling” Yovanavitch by staring at the closed door of an unplugged microwave oven. I have no problem with the idea that Hyde is delusional. But how does that exonerate Parnas? If Hyde was a crazy man hatching a delusional plot against an American ambassador, Parnas should have notified somebody in an official capacity. If Hyde was a semi-sane man carrying out an actual plot against an American ambassador, Petras should have notified somebody in an official capacity. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/70 "2020-01-16T10:34:51Z")
I think we need more information about what happened and Trump’s involvement in it. Clearly Joe Biden should ask the President of Ukraine to investigate. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/71 "2020-01-16T13:07:18Z")
Looks like Ukraine is finally opening up the corruption investigation. ☹ … into corrupt activities involving the surveillance of Ambassador Yavonovitch. > [@](#): > > BREAKING: Ukraine’s Interior Ministry announces criminal probe into alleged illegal surveillance of former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch after text messages released by House investigators showed Robert F. Hyde and Lev Parnas discussing her being tracked in Kyiv. > ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/72 "2020-01-16T14:16:28Z")
IMPOTUS is a mentally ill moron but I don’t think he would order a hit on someone. On the other hand I could see one of his buddies doing it like Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/73 "2020-01-16T14:26:05Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > IMPOTUS is a mentally ill moron but I don’t think he would order a hit on someone. On the other hand I could see one of his buddies doing it like Putin. And this is part of the problem with having such an obviously self-centered idiot in the Whitehouse. At this point, _anyone_ could cook up a Trump scandal, and no matter how absurd it is, it would be plausible. And Trump denying everything would look exactly like him denying everything else. There was a time, not that long ago, where the suggestion that the US President was involved in a plot to assassinate a US Ambassador would have been pretty much automatically rejected by everyone outside the InfoWars universe. Now? Meh, I could see it. ---
**Author:** ![phantom\_lamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@phantom\_lamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phantom_lamb)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/74 "2020-01-16T14:51:46Z")
There is no such thing that would get this president impeached in The Senate. There could be an HD video of him engaging in necropedophilia and I’d say the same. Try the ballot box in November, that’s all that remains. Next. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/75 "2020-01-16T16:31:49Z")
> [@phantom\_lamb](#): > > There is no such thing that would get this president impeached in The Senate. He could announce he was switching over to the Democratic party. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/76 "2020-01-16T16:37:30Z")
Trump was a Dem for most of his life, as recently as 2009. Putin certainly has no problem whacking someone or ordering a hit , he has done it many times the past. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/77 "2020-01-16T16:42:06Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Trump was a Dem for most of his life, as recently as 2009. He was a Dem from 2001-2009. Reform Party briefly before that, and Republican before that for most of the '90s. He may have been a Democrat during the Reagan/Bush years but I haven’t seen any claims either way. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/78 "2020-01-16T17:22:02Z")
So, in addition to an Igor this case now has a “Mr. Hyde”. Are you now prepared to believe what a horrorshow this administration is? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/79 "2020-01-16T19:00:00Z")
> [@phantom\_lamb](#): > > There is no such thing that would get this president impeached in The Senate. There could be an HD video of him engaging in necropedophilia and I’d say the same. Try the ballot box in November, that’s all that remains. Next. Necropedo? It’s a little subtle and over clever for that crowd. If one guy says it was over 18 and another disagrees and says he saw the corpse move, that’s the end of that. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/80 "2020-01-16T19:18:14Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > IMPOTUS is a mentally ill moron but I don’t think he would order a hit on someone. On the other hand I could see one of his buddies doing it like Putin. Watch him rage at reporters and lie about them _to their faces._ I can imagine it very well. He’s incredibly spiteful and incapable of accepting responsibility or tolerating criticism. He denies things that he did _on camera._ When he gets pushed, the combination of rage and “how-dare-you” is frightening. He had a press conference in late May of 2016 that illustrated this. It should have ended his campaign. Several months earlier, Megyn Kelly had asked him hard questions about how he insulted women in ways he did not use on men. The next day, in interviews, he snidely described her as, “She was bleeding out of her eyes, her ears, her…_wherever._” The disgusting tone of that last word is hard to adequately describe. He thought he’d beaten her. He thought he’d won because she was a woman, and women are vile and unclean to an unread, uncurious, luddite like Trump. The next debate was announced with Kelly as the moderator again. Trump announced he wouldn’t be attending, as he had a “charity” benefit to attend----that had not been announced up to that point, and which was only a few miles away from the debate. A couple months went by. Trump bragged he had raised _millions_ of dollars for veterans. Reporters discreetly poked around with some of the charities Trump had claimed were beneficiaries of his largesse. None of them had received anything. This was in keeping with Trump’s longstanding practice of claiming he had donated or _would_ donate large sums of money, but never actually doing so. A _Complex_ story detailed how Trump pushed and shoved his way into a 1996 charity gala for kids, then took the seat an actual donor paid for. [Finally, the questions by the press couldn’t be ignored,](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-promised-millions-to-charity-we-found-less-than-10000-over-7-years/2016/06/28/cbab5d1a-37dd-11e6-8f7c-d4c723a2becb_story.html) and Trump [held a press conference](https://youtu.be/eJ5kNEL0KzI) that was kind of scary. That red-faced guy on the right is Al Baldasaro, New Hampshire pol who has said he’d like to haul Hillary Clinton before a firing squad. Why? Good question. He has ‘apologized’ but one can hardly be blamed for thinking an apology for such rage is about as genuine as Trump’s boasts and promises. [This is his first press conference, before the pressure really mounted.](https://youtu.be/LNnHnRRhY7E) Look at that anger. Take note of the lies. Does he believe them or just _want_ to believe them? Does he lie because he feels that they _should_ be true, and, therefore, if you point out reality, you’re a big bad meanie? Now ask yourself, what would he do if all brakes on his behavior disappeared? What would he do with all that insecurity and rage and malice? He’s been getting away with his scams for a long time, and might have continued to escape justice if he had not run for President. Now he’s enraged at the injustice of being punished for things he’s done all his life. Look at who his idols are What would he do if he thought he could get away with anything? He _feels_ entitled to it now. All that he needs now is another four years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452.md?page=5)